BURNING QUESTIONS

From: info@adelaideinstitute.org
Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 4:31 PM
Subject: How to smash a billion dollar enterprise
1. The 'Holocaust' is a multi-billion dollar enterprise and Revisionists are attacking its very foundations.
2. It is understandable that this fight is fought so ferociously by any means for self-interest.
3. Remember, the Multi-billion dollar Enron collapse came from within the structure.
4. Should Revisionists wait until it happens to the 'Holocaust' industry?
5. What about helping this process along for the sake of imprisoned Palestinians and Revisionists?

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'Holocaust-Shoah' believer Dr Henry Makow v. 'Holocaust' sceptic Giuseppe Furioso, with Patrick S McNally’s comment on Dr Makow’s faulty logic – talmudic? -  with final questions by Ardeshir Mehta.

From: Ardeshir Mehta ardeshir@mac.com

Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 11:31 AM

Subject: Re: [silences] Holocaust minimizers discredit themselves and advance the NWO agenda,

I wonder how Dr Makow would answer Mr Giuseppe Furioso, whose questions about the holocaust are also reproduced here, below Dr Makow's article.

And maybe our good friends Patrick S McNally in Florida, and his Dad, Patrick H McNally in Tokyo, also have something to say.

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On 17-Dec-06, at 3:58 PM, "no matters" (Chris) quoted:

Makow in :The Holocaust n Historical Context Part Of Larger Genocide. By Henry Makow PhD, 12-15-6

The Tehran Conference expects us to believe the Nazis spared Jews at the same time as they exterminated millions of Slavs to create a "Lebensraum" - "living space" -  reaching to the Ural Mountains.

The Jewish Holocaust took place in the context of "Generalplan Ost" - "General Plan, East" - the planned genocide of over 40 million Slavs, 75 % of the population of Nazi-occupied Poland, Ukraine and Russia. The Nazis intended to "Germanize" a few, and reduce the rest to agricultural serfs who would not even learn to read.

The Nazis killed 6 million Poles and 20 million Russians including 7 million civilians by a variety of means. Three million Russian POW died from bullets, deliberate typhus infection and starvation. Another three million members of the Polish intelligentsia - professionals, clergy, teachers, union and political leaders - were also murdered. The term "genocide" was first coined to refer to Poles. 200,000 Polish children with Aryan characteristics were sent to Germany for "Germanization." By 1944, 4.5 million Poles and Russians worked as forced laborers in Germany.

Why would the Nazis exempt the 5-6 million Jews in this region? The Jews were even lower than Slavs on the "Untermensch," – subhuman - scale. Holocaust minimizers are in denial about the true character of World War Two.

In my view, their real objection is to the political exploitation, i.e. the immunity from criticism and prestige the Jewish Holocaust gives Zionists. They would be wiser to address this issue directly rather than pretend the Jewish Holocaust didn't take place. They could neutralize its propaganda value another way: by drawing attention to the pattern of Nazi-elite Jewish collaboration - Judenrat, Jewish police, Zionist.

Holocaust minimizers discredit themselves and advance the NWO agenda, which is to provoke a gratuitous confrontation between Islam and the Zionist West.

THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT

The treatment of Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe depended on the changing Nazi relationship to host nations and allies. For example, the 5,000 Danish Jews were mostly unscathed because the Nazis wanted good relations with the Nordic Danes, and access to their farm produce. Unlike the Poles, the Danes were very protective of their Jews.

Nazi persecution was held in check as long as Hitler desired peace with England, or good relations with Russia. However the invasion of Russia June 22, 1941 signalled the beginning of a genocidal death struggle. In this war zone, Slavs and Jews who were unfit for slave labor, i.e. 70-90% of the total, were marked for extermination.

In the Nazi mind, all Jews represented the Bolshevik peril. "German National Socialism and Jewish Bolshevism could not coexist," German soldiers were told. "This is a war of extinction." There is simply no way Jews could escape the fate of Russians in general. By July 1942 the first extermination camps Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka were opened.

During the winter of 1940-41, there were food shortages and public grumbling in Germany. The Nazis realized the food was the key to public support. According to historians Deborah Dwork and Jan van Pelt, the Nazis calculated that "tens of millions of Russians would have to die in order to safeguard German meat rations. German food would not go east to the invading army; rather [2.5 million] German soldiers would be fed at the expense of the local population." - Holocaust: A History, p 265.

The Nazis "looked to the east to become the breadbasket of New Europe...a true granary [characterized by] low density of settlement...prosperous farms and attractive small towns." They envisaged "the deportation of 41 to 51 million people which included 80-85% of all Poles...It was tacitly understood that they would be killed." (266)

Goring remarked to Italian Foreign Minister Ciano in Dec. 1941: "This year between 20 and 30 million persons will die in Russia of hunger. Perhaps it is well that it should be so, for certain nations must be decimated." (190)

At the same time, the Allies subjected the German civilian population to a murderous bombing campaign. In July 1943 in a Hamburg fire storm, 50,000 people died in "Operation Gomorrah." 800,000 fled the city in the aftermath.

World War Two was a time of unparalleled savagery and ethnic cleansing. I will not attempt a complete inventory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties%20 here. The Romanians used the cover of war to kill 250,000 Jews at their own initiative. The Croats murdered 350,000 Serbs. The German army lost 4 million men killed and 4 million wounded. The Soviet army lost over 9 million dead and 18 million wounded. Civilian losses were 1.8 million in Germany and 11.5 million in Russia. China lost 20 million civilians.

My point is that the real Holocaust was the war itself. The Jewish Holocaust was a part of it. The injustice is focusing on the Jewish experience, which is racism in the name of anti-racism. It implies that only Jewish lives matter. The challenge is to mourn the world war as a collective tragedy for humanity and to understand why it took place, before we have another.

THE TRUE LESSON OF WORLD WAR TWO

The lesson of World War Two is that our politicians are pied pipers who can lead their gullible flock to annihilation. The media plays the entrancing tune. They all serve the cabal that owns the world's central banks and is working steadily to establish its world government dictatorship.

Jewish moneylenders based in Amsterdam funded the English Revolution - Cromwell 1640-1649 - and later the ascendancy of William of Orange, 1687. Thus they were able to establish the Bank of England in 1694, intermarry with the British aristocracy and begin their relentless drive to take over the world. They used British-American imperialism, Illuminism - Kabalism, Freemasonry, Socialism, Communism, Neo Conservatism, Feminism and Zionism as their vehicles. War is considered revolutionary because it advances their New World Order. That's why there is always war. See my Bankers Seek Totalitarian Control

 http://www.savethemales.ca/001830.html.

Hitler referred to this clique in 1939: "Once again I will be a prophet: should international Jewry of finance succeed, both within and beyond Europe, in plunging mankind into yet another world war, then the result will not be Bolshevism of the earth, and the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe." (260)

In 1942 he reiterated: "This war will not turn out the way the Jews imagine it, that is with the extermination of the European Aryan peoples, but that the result of this war will be the destruction of Jewry." (284)

The Nazis saw the war in terms of saving the German race and western civilization from the Bolshevik New World Order, which we now face. This is why Holocaust minimisers imagine the Nazis were heroes and want to absolve them of guilt.

However the pagan and genocidal Nazis were hardly fit standard- bearers for civilization. In addition, the London-based Kabalist – Masonic - banking clique that Hitler condemned actually financed his war machine. It wanted to destroy Germany and the concepts of race and nationalism, provide a rationale for the establishment of Israel, brutalize and demoralize mankind and turn a profit, all at once.

As you can see, whether we are German, American or Russian; Zionists, Masons or whatever, ordinary people cannot afford to blithely join causes without considering their hidden agendas or consequences.

Apparently World War Three will begin as a confrontation between Israel and Iran. It may spread to a nuclear trade-off between the US, Russia and China. Obviously we need to stop arguing about how many Jews died 60 years ago and focus on preventing World War Three and the NWO.

See also my The Other Side of Holocaust Denial and The Macabre Holocaust Numbers Game at

www.savethemales.ca

- Henry Makow Ph.D. is the author of A Long Way to go for a Date. His articles exposing fe-manism and the New World Order can be found at his web site www.savethemales.ca He enjoys receiving comments, some of which he posts on his site using first names only. hmakow@gmail.com

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And now, Mr Giuseppe Furioso's questions:

From: GiuseppeFurioso@aol.com

Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:20 AM

Subject: my holocaust problems

My Holocaust Problems:

The Holocaust consists of three basic elements: 1. Approximately six million Jews were deliberately killed. 2. These killings were part of a state sponsored program on the part of the Third Reich whose ultimate goal was the total eradication of the Jewish people. 3. The bulk of these murders took place in special death camps where the principal mechanism of execution was the homicidal gas chamber that utilized Zyklon B, a commercial pesticide whose active ingredient was hydrogen cyanide.

That the Third Reich possessed the technological and administrative means to carry out such a vast amount of killing there is little doubt. The Soviet Union with significantly inferior assets in these areas was able to kill far greater numbers of human beings. Furthermore, the armies of the Third Reich succeeded in killing at least ten million of its heavily armed military opponents in the course of World War II. Hence the killing of six million unarmed civilians should not have presented any unique problems to such an industrially advanced and bureaucratically efficient state as Nazi Germany, on the contrary, it would have been far easier.

My doubts about the Holocaust are not centered around whether it could have happened but whether it did happen. In fact many of the doubts that I have are a direct consequence of the fact that I have no doubt that it actually could have happened ... but certainly not in the ways that have been described thus far in the "official" literature. It is part of the Western tradition in legal, scientific and intellectual matters that those asserting something have the burden of proof and that those who disagree are not required to provide evidence. This tradition however has been turned on its head regarding the holocaust since the "historical truth" of the holocaust has been posited in advance. Furthermore, even to express doubts can result in criminal penalties in at least 11 so-called democratic countries and the ruining of lives and careers in numerous others.

Listed below are some of the "problems" I have with the Holocaust. Should these be cleared up it would go a long way toward my accepting it ... they are in no particular order.

1. Why did Elie Wiesel and countless other Jews survive the Holocaust if it was the intention of the Third Reich to eliminate every Jew they got there hands on? Elie was a prisoner for several years; other Jews survived even longer. Most of these "survivors" were ordinary people who did not have any unique expertise that the Germans could have exploited for their war effort. There was no logical reason for them to be kept alive. The very existence of more than a million survivors even today, some sixty years later, contradicts one of the basic components of the holocaust i.e. that the Germans had a policy to eliminate every Jew they got their hands on.

2. Why is their no mention of the Holocaust in Churchill's six volume History of the Second World War or the wartime memoirs of either De Gaulle or Eisenhower or any of the other lesser luminaries who wrote about the Second World War. Keep in mind all these were written years after the war ended and thus after the holocaust had been allegedly proven by the Nuremberg Trials? With regard to the Holocaust, the silence of these "cognoscenti "is deafening!

3. What was an inmate infirmary - and a brothel - doing in Auschwitz if in fact it was a death camp?

4. Why would the Germans round up Jews from their far flung empire, thereby tying up large numbers of personnel and rolling stock, while fighting a world war on two fronts to deliver people to "death camps" hundreds of miles away who were then executed upon arrival ... wouldn't a bullet on the spot have appealed to the legendary German sense of efficiency?

5. Why after sixty years have historians been unable to come up with a single German document that points to a holocaust? Should we believe the likes of Raul Hilberg that in the place of written orders there was an "incredible meeting of the minds" by the literally tens of thousands of people who would have had to coordinate their actions in order to carry out an undertaking of this magnitude?

6. How come it is still insisted upon that six million Jews were killed when the official Jewish death toll at Auschwitz, the flagship of the Holocaust gulag, has been reduced from a immediate post war figure of 3 million, to a figure of somewhat less than one million? Why do many respond to this observation by saying, "what's the difference whether it's six million or one million". The answer is that the difference is five million. Another difference is that saying so can get you three years in an Austrian jail ... just ask David Irving!

7. All of Germany's wartime codes were compromised including the one used to send daily reports from Auschwitz to Berlin. The transcripts of these messages make no mention of mass executions or even remotely suggest a genocidal program in progress. Furthermore it has been insisted that the Germans used a kind of euphemistic code when discussing their extermination program of the Jews e.g. final solution, special treatment, resettlement etc. Why was it necessary for them to use such coded euphemisms when talking to one another unless they thought their codes had been cracked by the Allies?

8. The water table at Auschwitz lies a mere 18 inches below the surface which makes claims of huge burning pits for the disposal of tens of thousands of victims untenable.

9. Initially claims were made that mass executions in homicidal gas chambers had taken place in camps located within the boundaries of the old Reich e.g. Dachau, Bergen-Belsen. "Evidence" to that effect was every bit as compelling as what was offered for other camps, located in occupied Poland, yet without explanation in the early sixties we were told that this was not the case and that all the "death camps" were located in the East i.e. Poland outside (some would say conveniently) of the probing eyes of western scholars.

10. No one has been able to reconcile the eyewitness accounts that personnel entered the gas chambers after twenty minutes without any protective gear and the fact that Zyklon B was a "time release" fumigant that would have had a lethal capability for at least another twenty four hours. And that even after twenty four hours the corpses would have themselves remained sufficiently contaminated by the hydrogen cyanide gas that they would have had the capacity to kill anyone who touched them who were not wearing protective gear.

11. Why do we no longer hear claims that the Germans manufactured soap, lamp shades and riding britches from the bodies of dead Jews ... could it be that in the light of modern forensics and DNA knowledge these claims are totally untenable?

12. Why do we no longer hear claims that huge numbers of Jews were exterminated in massive steam chambers or electrocuted on special grids ... "evidence" of this was presented at Nuremberg ... evidence that sent men to the gallows?

14. Elie Wiesel has been described as "the Apostle of Remembrance" yet in his memoir, "Night" which deals his stay at Auschwitz he makes no mention of the now infamous homicidal gas chambers. Isn't this a bit like one of the Gospels making no mention of the Cross?

15. Virtually every survivor who was examined at Auschwitz says that he or she was examined by the infamous Dr. Mengele.

16. According to survivor testimony, hundreds of thousands of Jews were executed at Treblinka and then buried in mass graves in the surrounding area. Why is it that extensive sonar probing of these burial grounds reveals that this alleged final resting place for Holocaust victims has remained undisturbed since at least the last ice age?

17. "Proof" of the holocaust rest primarily on survivor testimony; there little if any hard evidence. The best of this has been described by Jean Claude Pressac as merely "criminal traces". Even Judge Grey who presided at the Irving-Lipstadt Trial commented that he was surprised the evidence pointing to the Holocaust was "extremely thin". To paraphrase Arthur Butz, "a crime of this magnitude would have left a mountain of evidence" ... where is it? There was more hard evidence against OJ Simpson at his trial and he was FOUND INNOCENT!

18. Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven countries ... what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or the destruction of one's career to maintain itself? Should someone be sent to prison for expressing skepticism about the official Chinese claim that they suffered thirty five million dead in World War II?

19. Why do the court historians insist that "denying the Holocaust" is like denying slavery or saying the earth is flat when it is nothing of the sort? The leading Revisionists are first rate scholars who hold advanced degrees from the world's leading universities. Is there anyone comparable among those who say the world is flat or that slavery never existed?

20. Promoters of the Holocaust have expressed concerns about remembering the holocaust once the last survivors die. Why haven't Civil War historians expressed similar concerns since the last survivor of that conflict died in 1959?

21. Survivors of the holocaust have testified that smoke billowed from the crematoriums as they consumed the bodies of murdered victims ... some eyewitnesses even claimed they could detect national origins by the color of the smoke. How can this be reconciled with the fact that properly operating crematoriums do not produce smoke of any color?

22. According to the official version of the Holocaust hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were rounded up in mid 1944 and sent to Auschwitz where most were gassed immediately upon arrival and their bodies were disposed of by burning in huge open air pits using railroad ties and gasoline. Why is that there is no evidence of these huge funerary pyres in the high resolution surveillance photos taken by Allied aircraft who were over flying the camp on a daily basis during this time period? Furthermore, why have no remains been found, since open pit burning, even when gasoline is used, generates insufficient heat to totally consume a body?

23. All of the liberated camps were littered with corpses; is there a single autopsy report or any other forensic evidence that shows that even a single one of these deaths was a consequence of poison gas?

24. The death toll for the Holocaust relies exclusively on population statistics provided by Jewish sources; has any independent demographic study been produced that shows that approximately six million Jews were "missing" at the end of the war?

25. Why do the wartime inspection reports of camps made by the International Red Cross contain no references to mass executions ... it strains credulity that such monumental crimes could be hidden. The only explanations are that either these crimes were not occurring or that the Red Cross was complicit in a cover up.

26. Why has there been no effort to respond to the Leuchter Report?

27. "The Holocaust was technologically possible because it happened". Why is this intellectually bankrupt argument, which turns scholarship on its head, considered by the promoters of the Holocaust as historical truth, considered a sufficient response to the mounting Revisionist evidence to the contrary?

28. What other historical truths rely to the extent that the holocaust does on so-called "eye witness" testimony ... and why have none of these witnesses ever been cross examined?

29. According to the official version of the Holocaust, the Jews remained ignorant of their fate until the very end, so skillful were their Nazis murderers in deceiving their victims. How can this ignorance be reconciled with the fact that the Jews have historically been as a group, the most literate and highly informed people on the planet with legendary access to the highest echelons of government?

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From Patrick S McNally: PatrickSMcNally@peoplepc.com

17 December, 2006

“Henry Makow: The term ‘genocide’ was first coined to refer to Poles. 200,000 Polish children with Aryan characteristics were sent to Germany for ‘Germanization’. By 1944, 4.5 million Poles and Russians worked as forced laborers in Germany. Why would the Nazis exempt the 5-6 million Jews in this region?”

This formulation is a deceptive sleight of hand. First he tells us that Polish children with Aryan characteristics were sent to Germany, then he tells us that Poles and Russians worked as forced laborers in Germany, finally he asks why would the Nazis exempt Jews. The obvious answer is that they didn't.

People who were classified as one-quarter Jewish and three-quarters Aryan were incorporated into the Third Reich for "Germanization" and those who were classified as having too much Jewish genealogy in their background were worked as forced laborers in Germany - as well as being deported. Whoever disagreed with just this much?

The point at issue has to do with those fabled gas chambers which were allegedly used in a program of mass-extermination designed to eliminate all Jews in Europe by killing them all, a program which allegedly killed six million Jews.

Notice how different this sounds from sending Polish - or Jewish - children with Aryan characteristics to Germany for "Germanization"? We're not really talking about the same thing here.

But Makow passes it off as if it were equivalent: "Germanization"? "Gas chambers"? "What's the difference?" "Aren't they all the same thing?" In a word: No.

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From: Ardeshir Mehta - ardeshir@mac.com

Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 12:21 PM

Subject: Re: [USQuagmire] Re: [silences] Holocaust minimizers discredit

themselves and advance the NWO agenda,

Thanks, Patrick.

Dr Makow? The ball is in your court.

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From: Ardeshir Mehta - ardeshir@mac.com

Sent: Monday, 18 December 2006 12:14 PM

To: GiuseppeFurioso@aol.com

Subject: What is anyone to make of <http://tinyurl.com/y5m27v>? (was: Re: My holocaust

problems - Giusepppe Furioso)

On 17-Dec-06, at 9:13 AM, GiuseppeFurioso@aol.com wrote:

The brothel and the infirmary at Auschwitz were for prisoner use...in fact Elie Wiesel admits in his book ''Night'' about his stay at Auschwitz, that he had been in the infirmary for almost SIX WEEKS with an infected foot as the Russians were approaching the camp in Jan. 1945. Elie was given a choice by his jailors, as were the other inmates, he could remain behind and await the Russians, or he could leave be evacuated with the Germans. He chose evacuation...so did his father. joe

Yes, I know. It was just your wording of the question which made this not very clear.
PS send this to those mailing lists..we have to get this information out...we really don't need any more revisionist research... enough information is already out there to demolish the major components of the lie. The only thing necessary is to connect the dots!

Yes. By the way, what do you make of this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/14/60minutes/main2267927.shtml

which is also the same as: http://tinyurl.com/y5m27v... ?

Indeed, what is *anyone* to make of it? Some questions arise immediately:

1. Why were these records not made public till now?

2. Who exactly was in charge of keeping these records hidden from public view?

3. Why were alleged Nazi victims examined by the Nazis for head lice, as they were according to the records, if they were going to be killed anyway?

4. Why did the Nazis tattoo their victims with numbers, if the latter were going to be killed and then either cremated or buried anyway, after which the tattoos would be gone from view?

In any case, if these documents do exist and are genuine, maybe it will settle the matter of how many people - of whatever ethnicity - were killed by the Nazis in the camps, once and for all.