Subject: ex-German Defense Minister suggests CIA Involvement in
9/11
(1) Andreas Von Bülow (former German Defense
Minister) suggests CIA
Involvement in 9/11
(2) Wall Street Journal debunks von Bülow claims
(1) Andreas Von Bülow (former German Defense Minister) suggests CIA
Involvement in 9/11
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 20:48:56 -0000 From: "atoyuma" <atoyuma@yahoo.com>
Alex Jones Interviews Andreas Von Bülow
http://www.prisonplanet.com/020804vonbuelow.html
Please understand that this is a transcript made directly from a live
radio
interview. It may not conform to exemplary standards of grammar. Mr.
Von
Bülow's first language is German.
Alex Jones: All right my friends. We are already into the third and
final hour
of this global transmission against tyranny. And, in the last hour we
had
Hutton Gibson, expert on the New World Order and of course father of
Mel
Gibson, on talking about the different key issues. In this hour, we
are joined
by Andreas von Bülow and he was the federal Minister of Defense, or
the
equivalent of our Secretary of Defense, been in the German government
since
the 70s. And up until just a few years ago he was also the Minister of
Technology and he has written a book that according to Reuters is the
best
seller in Germany that translates into `9 11 and the CIA.' And he's
not the
only German minister who has said we are looking at world fascism here
and a
powerful military industrial complex institution engineering terror
attacks to
scare us into submission. And, Andre von Bülow, err Andreas von Bülow,
we are
so honored to have a man of your stature and obvious intelligence and
your
courage on this show. Thank you for joining us.
Andreas von Bülow: Hello and it's wonderful speaking, yes.
AJ: Uh, we're going to break here in a few minutes and come back in a
longer
segment but for those who just joined us, tell us a little bit more
about
yourself and your book please.
AvB: Well I...I have spent over twenty-five years in politics and now
I am
out. And in the end I was Minister of Technology before I was
Secretary of
Defense. Then I had to deal in a commission on East-West transactions
about
the secret service of East Germany. And this was very interesting
inside story
because of the Western side doing deals violating the laws in Eastern
Eur,
err, East Germany, European Community and the United States. It was
always two
parts dealing with East and West and this bought me a lot of insights
in the
secret service business.
AJ: And in fact I remember reading about the huge investigations you
did that
was massive international headlines concerning the Stasi and how
different
governments had actually been working with these people. If you would
like you
are of course welcome to get into that as well. Again folks, the
equivalent
secretary of defense, minister of defense of Germany, and of course
technology, the head of that. Just absolutely amazing. Your best
selling book,
and I wish there was an English translation because I would certainly
buy one.
My wife does read German. But please, tell us about your book.
AvB: Well I was writing another book and then 9 11 happened. And it
was
strange to me watching- we all were horrified what was going on and
said well
that's impossible, how could a crew of people manage do such horrible
things?
At the first hours, we didn't know who was it, then within hours it
came out
that probably Usama bin Laden and Al Qaeda was behind it. And then
within two
or three days these 19 people came out. And my objection was- my
looking at
it- to whom does it bring good? And I found out that it is rather
damaging to
the Islamic world and perhaps it might be not only be a terrorist
attack but
perhaps it might be a covert operation. I watched the scenery, what
was going
on, what the American government-
AJ: Minister, minister, we've got to break; we'll be back in three
minutes.
Absolutely, we'll go into this in great detail. We are honored to have
you.
We're talking to Andreas von Bülow. We'll be back. (Fade to bumper
music)
(Commercial Break)
AJ: That's right my friends it's eight minutes ten seconds into this
3rd hour
of global transmission. I am so honored to have on Andreas von Bülow
former
German defense minister, head of their defense department and of
course until
just a few years ago, head of their technology system which is, that
is a very
high level post, just as high level as defense minister there in
Deutschland.
And he's written a best selling book and I've read some quotes out of
it that
have been translated into English. And the title translated is `911
and the
CIA.' And he lays out the evidence of the military- industrial complex
carrying out the attacks. Also we have lined up Michael Micher. And he
of
course was the English environmental minister who resigned over Tony
Blair's
fraud. He has written articles saying that if they didn't carry it
out, they
certainly funded and allowed them to take place. So, if you've got a
brain,
it's clear, and Mr. von Bülow, very intelligent individual has gone
over this.
So, sir, you've said that on the day of the event you began to look at
it, you
began to research it. And, from your specific expertise in
intelligence and
military and technology, you know heading up entire sectors of the
world's
third largest economy. Please discuss for us your research and how you
wrote
the book and what really happened on 9 11.
AvB: Err, 9 11, I just watched the scenery. And I said there must
have- gone
something very [wrong]. I watched the TV for example and in the same
minute
that the TV showed the planes driving into the World Trade Center, you
found
these Palestinians dancing and laughing. And a few days later one
could find
out that this was fake. It was made by a TV crew of the defense
ministry in
Israel and they gave candies to the people and they laughed about it.
And,
nobody told it. And the question for me was who brought this TV stuff
right in
time into the national networks like CNN and CBS and so on and so on.
And then
we look for the, the story came out that this had been done by bin
Laden and
his Al-Qaeda and these 19 people of Muslim background, which did this.
And you
could watch the Persian journalist, and nobody showed up. Not one
Arabic name
was showing up there. And then one is interested to see video because
all
these 19 passengers must have passed the video, a lot of video cameras
in
Dallas, and New York, and Logan in Boston, and Portland in the North.
You
don't get this stuff. And then we're looking for the black boxes and
we don't
get them. And the story how these, these World Trade Center buildings
broke
down, they were constructed against an approach by airplanes. And, the
firemen
of New York, they were able to come to the floor where the fires were
burning,
and they said, the fire commander said he needed two teams, small, to
fight
these fires and then it's finished. So the heat, it is impossible that
the
heat was as high as it has been written in the papers and in all the
media.
AJ: And then, and then the feds declared that all firefighter tapes
malfunctioned, turns out that wasn't true; we've got copies of them.
And it
did say that the firefighters said the fires were out or almost out.
There is
video of people standing in the holes of the buildings with no fire
around
them. And we're going to go over the evidence that's in your book,
sir, and
why you came to these educated conclusions.
AvB: Yeah.
AJ: But, first I want to ask you: have you heard the new developments,
the
owner of the World Trade Center slipped up on TV and said that they
blew
Building Seven up. The forty-seven story building that wasn't even hit
by an
aircraft. This just broke two weeks ago, have you heard this?
AvB: Sure, I have heard this. I follow the whole scenery. Normally,
it's
coming out in Germany, but it's coming out in your country. It's a
fascinating
background to, to do research via Internet because all this stuff is
broadly
spread over the Internet. So it's very easy to follow, but in the main
media
you don't get to hear about this.
AJ: Well tell you what, later this hour, it's only three minutes of
audio
clips, we will air from the PBS documentary `America Rebuilding,'
where they
admit they blew up WTC 7. Now, that's important because they said that
building fell from fire even though it wasn't hit by a plane. And now,
he
slips up and says we decided to demolish it on 9-11, but then the
mainstream
media just ignores that. This is a public admission, sir.
AvB: Yeah, yeah especially that the CIA headquarters in New York was
in, was
within this building. I think the- how do you call it- the emergency
center
for the governor, the major, err, mayor was-
AJ: Mayor and governor.
AvB: -mayor was in this building. So, it was not hit by a plane, and
the fire
was very low. And the surrounding steel constructions were left over
and
didn't collapse. But, the Building 7 collapsed in late afternoon at 5
o' clock
I think.
AJ: Well, from our internal sources, they were running the attacks
sir, out of
the building and so conveniently got rid of the evidence in one fell
swoop.
AvB: This is one theory, it might be. It's convincing but one has to
get the
whole proof. But the problem is that the elements for proof are
destroyed.
AJ: Also- AvB: You will find them in Japanese cars and in ships of the
American Navy.
AJ: Also, sir, we have NORAD standing down for an hour and twenty five
minutes
but when we had the golfer Payne Stewart went off course for fifteen
minutes,
he was surrounded in eighteen minutes by five F-16s so why did NORAD
stand
down?
AvB: Well, this is a big question because it happened in 2001 more
than 60
times. That, fighter[s] went up to clear what has been done to
airplanes that
showed some irregularities. At 9 11, four planes for two hours were
able to
drive around, fly around even one hour in the direction going toward
the west
and then turn around and then comeback. The military air force was not
able to
interdict them. It's [un]imaginable. And the whole story is totally
unclear
what happened between the Federal Aviation Agency (Administration) and
NORAD.
AJ: Absolutely, now I don't know if you've seen the associated press
but the
CIA was running a drill 15 miles from the World Trade Center that day
of
flying jets into buildings in New York and DC. My internal sources
inside the
Pentagon, the lawyers who represent them have said on this show that
they were
told to stand down because it was quote `just a drill.' That's how you
get the
good military to stand down; you tell them it's just a drill. And,
that drill
was going on at 830 in the morning. Is that not obvious, sir?
AvB: It's quite obvious, yeah. It's quite, it's so strange and the
most
strange thing for me is that after two years you don't have a white
book which
is documenting everything. If you are looking for the timetable for
example
you have to make a medium between two or three or five newspapers and
radio
and TV announcements. So everything is unclear. On the other hand, the
American government is running as the call it a world war against
possibly
sixty nations without really showing the background of 9/11. It's- for
me,
it's impossible.
AJ: Now by that they admit that nine of the nineteen hijackers, the
BBC says
seven but it's nine, are still alive. Bin Laden has not been
convicted, bin
Laden is known CIA, you've got [George H. W.] Bush meeting with the
head bin
Laden that morning in DC at the Ritz Carleton, you've got the General
of
Pakistan, the head of their intelligence, meeting with the House and
Senate
chairs of the intelligence committee at 8:30 that morning, his second
trip in
his life to the United States. You've got the FBI paying for the
houses, the
cars, the credit cards of the supposed hijackers. I mean, sir, you
start-
you've got public officials, Mayor Willie Brown, Joint Chiefs of Staff
told
not to fly to New York that day. That's all admitted; what do you say
to that?
AvB: Well, it's all admitted. So for me, since the official version-
it's not
credible at all, it's totally incredible. The second solution for me
is a
covert operation. And this is a way to influence, to brainwash the
American
people into long, long, ongoing conflict with the Muslim world and all
that
you get to, for example the oil companies, the last oil reserves which
we need
for the next decades before the oil age is going out. And probably
behind this
is a geopolitical thinking that finally China has to be taken out.
China is
too big and you have to be able to- this is put down in the New
American
Century, which has been written by a lot of people who are now in
government
like Cheney, like Rumsfeld and others.
AJ: And now, sir, we've got to break. We're going to get into the
Project for
a New American Century and Operation Northwoods. Were you aware of a
US
government plan to carry out 9 11 style attacks?
AvB: You mean, Northwoods?
AJ: Yes, sir.
AvB: Yeah sure I know.
AJ: Is that not a key piece of evidence?
AvB: Well, this is a key piece, a key piece of evidence of the
thinking of
probably the military in dialogue with politics. Probably, I think
Kennedy
decided not to do it but I think it was, it was all of the-
AJ: Tell you what, stay there. We've got to break; we'll be right back
folks.
(Fade to music)
(Commercial Break)
AJ: All right my friends, I'm Alex Jones your host. For the rest of
the hour
we are honored to have Andreas von Bülow, former Defense Secretary
and former
head of technology, Department of Technology in Germany. And he's just
gotten
out of government a few years ago and he's just written a best selling
book `9
11 and the CIA' and we have info on that at Infowars.com and
PrisonPlanet.com.
We will also be posting this interview on the Website in the next few
days as
well. There are so many facets to this- Mr. von Bülow, continuing
with you
waking up to what happened on 9 11 and researching it, what are some
of the
other key points that clearly show that it is impossible that these
nineteen
people did this; we know that is a fraud. It is a conspiracy theory to
say
that they did it alone. From your intensive research and your
understanding of
high-level government activities, what do you think really happened on
9 11?
AvB: Well, nobody can prove what happened 9 11 directly because it has
been a
covert operation and you don't find proof; you will find only
indications. And
one of the indications- the indication that everything is right with
these
nineteen people and Usama bin Laden is that the government is free to
show all
the prove that is on the table that is on the street that lays on the
ground
of the World Trade Center and so on and so on. If you have a covert
operation
the probability is always that the leftover pieces of proof are taken
away
immediately and a lot of secrecy, a band of secrecy, has taken over
everything. And, this has happened with 9 11.
AJ: And that also happened- where you aware the New York Times and
Chicago
Tribune reported this in `93, the FBI cooked the bomb and trained the
driver[s] and had an Egyptian security agent doing it for them, had
two
retarded Muslims, literally retarded, drive the truck and park it, let
the
bombing go forward. At Oklahoma City, the same company that destroyed
the
remnants of the World Trade Center, blew up the remnants of Oklahoma
City
[and] had that buried under machine gun guard at a private landfill to
this
day. And they hauled the rubble away from the W T C to China! They
wouldn't
let you take photographs. Yes, exactly.
AvB: Yeah, then at the beginning the engineers weren't allowed to go
up to the
steel truss [debris] and had a lot of problems- there was very scarce
money.
And you know, to clear up the story with Bill Clinton and Monica
Lewinsky, the
Republican majority gave out sixty million dollars, I think it's
seventy now,
and they started out with 600 000 dollars to try to figure out what
happened
on 9 11. And, they were taken away from doing research and so on and
so on and
they are upset. And, Fire Engineer Magazine said it was totally
unbelievable
what happened with this examination of 9 11.
AJ: Well, they say it was a criminal cover up and now, sir, we've
turned into
a police state. They can secretly arrest citizens, secretly execute
us. They
are building admitted prison camps all over the country, this is in
our news.
We're turning into something like the Soviet Union here.
AvB: Well, I can't comment on this but what's going on in Guantanamo
is like
that. I think the problem is that if you put people, who ever you like
in
Guantanamo in Cuba, you take them away for one or two years without
letting a
lawyer to them, without showing them what you are reprising to them,
without
having contact from their family- they tell in all court processes
what the
FBI is wanting from them-
AJ: Well, sir-
AvB: And so you get fake evidence from these kinds of people, if you
behave
like that.
AJ: And sir, sir. Our mainstream news says that torture is good and
they say
they are torturing people, that's the Washington Post. Is that a
concern that
our government now admits it's torturing?
AvB: Well, I'm informed- I don't know whether they are torturing,
keeping them
is a kind of a torture, but I am told there is an agreement with a lot
of
states to put these people to Egypt and other states where torture is
accepted
and is done and you get the final outcome of this torture and you can
produce
this in front of German courts and American courts and try to bring
about
final judgment.
AJ: Well that's it. We'll be back; long segment coming up and we'll
get more
into your book. We're honored to have you, Andreas von Bülow. Stay
with us. (Fade)
(Commercial Break)
AJ: All right folks. We're talking with Andreas von Bülow and to make
this
clear, up until about two years ago he was the head minister over the
Department of Technology and before that he was the head of his
party's group
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1 888 253 3139. Now, going back to Andreas von Bülow, sir, we were
talking
during the break and I said what are some of the other key points that
you
would like to go over. You mentioned the CIA and insider trading and
the
Anthrax attacks. Please discuss it.
AvB: Well, the insider trading, everybody knows that there [was] news
about
insider trading. I think altogether fifteen billion dollars. And,
there was
speculation about going down, of United Airlines and American
Airlines; both
airlines which were attacked by 9 11 and other things. So, normally
you could
find out because I think the American- the CIA together with the
financial
department, the Treasury, they developed this - watching the markets
to find
out speculation about going on terrorist attacks. So, they could
immediately
find out if there were something going on- and they could find out.
And, in
this case, they- 9 11- the NSA people which are the guys watching via
satellites the whole of the transactions going on, on Earth, they
said, they
told the people to destroy the tapes. They had tapes about this
interior
trading and they said they had to destroy them so they are not any
longer proof.
AJ: Now again, interior trading that's a good term for it, insider
trading. So
again, insider trading or interior trading going on here and fifteen
billion
dollars, I think that's a low estimate. It came out the first week,
Germany
reported on it, France reported on it, the US, `we're going to catch
them!'
Record put options against United and American; not against other
airlines but
specifically against these and it leads back to the CIA and suddenly
they
destroy the evidence. Again, again another smoking gun. Then, you get
into
anthrax attacks; Bush on Cipro, the most weaponized anthrax ever seen.
Tell us
about that.
AvB: Well, there the question just is who has the responsibility for
this! You
know, it overlaid the whole public debate of what was the background
and
reason for 9 11 for weeks because these attacks were going on for
weeks and
weeks and weeks. And, finally nothing came out. We have no report on
who was
responsible, who did it and this again is amazing. I think it belongs
probably
to the cover up of the psychological cover-up of the whole scenery.
And then,
the vice- President and the President asking Congress not to go into
too much
detail about the background of 9 11. What does this mean? And until
now it's
what the President knew before 9 11 is a total secret. I think there
is no
secret service around the world which gave no hints to the American
secret
service community, the CIA, the DIA and so on and so on. They did
nothing out
of it. The most disturbing thing is that these guys that knew about
something
in coming up 9 11, were cutout before. I mean the local level of the
FBI
offices, they knew quite a lot and they tried to force the central
organization to go into the details about Arabs taking lessons in
flight
schools and so on. And, the guy who decided on top, I think the second
man who
was in the FBI he [said] `no we don't do this' and he got promoted
after 9 11.
AJ: By the way, the US embassies that allowed supposed Al- Qaeda back
in got
record cash bonuses. The FBI agents who ordered other FBI agents not
to stop
Al-Qaeda, they got bonuses. Bush signed W199I months before 9 11
ordering FBI
not to stop Al-Qaeda. They threatened to arrest FBI Robert Wright if
he tells
us what he knows. I've interviewed his lawyer David Schippers who knew
about
the attacks beforehand. He went to Bush; Bush wouldn't talk to him,
Ashcroft
wouldn't talk to him. And you said something very astute, sir, you
talked
about the anthrax being a psychological cover-up of the scenery. That
is, all
these questions coming out in the early days about 9 11 got blacked
out by the
anthrax attacks and that's absolutely why that happened. We've tracked
that
back to Fort Detrick, Maryland. And they said it wasn't weaponized
anthrax, it
turned out it was the most weaponized ever seen.
AvB: Yeah, that's absolutely correct and the wars which were reasoned
to be
fights against terrorism, the war against Afghanistan to put out the
Taliban
it was decided long before and I think in June before 9 11. The
Afghanistan
government- no, the Pakistan government and the Indian government
[were] told
there would be an intervention in October.
AJ: Also, 44 000 US troops, 18 000 US troops were in Tajikistan and
Uzbekistan, Bush had the battle launch orders on his desk two days
before 9 11.
AvB: That's exact, that's exactly-
AJ: And sir, I want to digress back to torture for a minute because
you have
been, you've impressed by, I mean you know so much about this, you've
researched it so well- On the torture issue, General Rick Baucus quit
Guantanamo because he quote `refused to torture the people there' and
the CIA
section chief bragged in the Washington Post that they fly them to
foreign
countries and then the CIA tortures them themselves so they do admit
the torture.
AvB: (Pause) Sure. I can't comment on this [but] it's obvious; all the
court
proceedings against for example against Moussaui I think it was the
20th
nominally- it was supposed in each aircraft to have five hijackers and
this
one was taken into prison by the FBI. I think the process was made in
Alexandria, Virginia and I think the judge said that if you don't give
the
proof [of] these guys who are running Al- Qaeda and give these people
for
cross-examination then I can deliver a judgment. The same is true in
Germany;
we have people who are related to Al-Qaeda-and probably Al-Qaeda is an
artificial, err, [de]nomination of-
AJ: CIA fiction.
AvB:- a ruse of elements of Islamic people. In Hamburg, the trials are
failing
because the American government is not delivering the proof.
AJ: Absolutely and look, we've had military officers and many others
on, it is
clear that Al Qaeda is a CIA creation. A foggy boogie man so the
military-industrial complex can carry out attacks and then pin it on
them and
I mean we know when bin Laden blows up a building supposedly, our
government
pays his family to rebuild it.
AvB: Yeah.
AJ: I mean there's the payoff right out in the open.
AvB: Yeah, the whole background of- the whole personalities like bin
Laden,
like Al Qaeda, like Taliban, even Saddam Hussein, these are all
figures that
were handled by the CIA in former times. So probably they are recycled
in the
system now as bad guys. Before, they were the good guys taking away
the
Russians out of Afghanistan and dealing with this, getting money for
this,
getting paid for this now they are used as bad guys. Usama bin Laden
has been,
in '95, in the Balkans in an operation the Americans were with the UKG
in
Albania. You find these guys all over; you find these guys in Chechnya
for
example. There are also `former Afghanis' as they are called and they
are
[driven] in loaded planes of the CIA for example.
AJ: Absolutely so they provide the crisis so Big Brother could provide
the
police state solution. Andreas von Bülow it is clear that if we do
not expose
at least who stands to gain from this terror and who was involved in
it, that
is the large financial interests that own our government, they are
going to be
able to use America as the engine of quote imperial mobilization and
world
domination. As Zbigniew Brzezinski and the PNAC documents said, how
important
is it to expose this for the future of free humanity?
AvB: I think it's, for everybody outside of the United States it's
extremely
important because it's a question of whether democracy will survive
and
whether the state of law is kept up or we'll be driven by public
relations and
financial interest. And I think the main thing for the Americans is
who pays
for all this. Because, if the oil companies get more cheap oil and
make their
money out of it, the American taxpayer has to pay for the military
machine.
The oil companies aren't paying for that. It's not the
military-industrial
complex paying for that, it is the American taxpayer so it's extremely
important.
AJ: Absolutely and now we are paying record amounts for fuel for
petrol in
this country while they have record supplies and the oil companies are
posting
record profits. I want to get into W T C 7 because I want people to
hear these
clips. These are from the PBS documentary, and this will just take a
minute
sir, and then I want to get your comment on it, where they describe
how
Building 7 fell and how they removed it first because quote `nobody
died in
it.' It's the owner, Larry Silverstein who pulled it, gave the order
to
demolish it on the afternoon of September 11th, so, Mark, go ahead and
hit
that clip for us please.
PBS Documentary (narrator): World Trade Center 7 had always been
considered
the starting point for rebuilding. Located north of the slurry wall,
Building
7 had been cleared faster than the rest of the site. There had been no
bodies
to recover. Pelted by debris when the North Tower collapsed, Seven
burned into
the late afternoon allowing occupants to evacuate to safety.
PBS Documentary (Silverstein): I remember getting a call from the,
err, Fire
Department commander telling me that they were not sure they would be
able to
contain the fire. I thought we had such terrible loss of life, maybe
the
smartest thing to do was, was pull it, and they made the decision to
pull and
we watched the building collapse.
AJ: We made the decision to pull, and we watched the building
collapse. Now
here's Dan Rather, seconds after it collapses and this is what Dan
Rather had
to say and then we'll get von Bülow's comment.
(Voice of Dan Rather): What you are seeing are high shots, now here
we're
going to show you a videotape of the collapse itself. Now we go to
videotape
of the collapse of this building. (Associate- `it's amazing') Amazing,
incredible, pick your word. For the third time today, it's reminiscent
of
those pictures we've all seen too much on television before when a
building
was destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock it down.
AJ: Now, again, the seismographs show multiple explosions, the
firefighters
were told to get back. Von Bülow, how important is this piece of
evidence?
AvB: The explosions, well the government has to explain it! They have
to prove
their case. They have to this conspiracy theory that these nineteen
Muslims
under the direction of Usama bin Laden. It's not my business; it's
only `if
there are explosions, if it's true, can it be that the heat out of
kerosene is
able to destroy these huge buildings in a manner that they are
collapsing in a.
AJ: Symmetrical.
AvB: .free-fall in a very short- in a few seconds, that they broke
together.
It's nearly impossible. So everything that is on the table is telling
that the
government story is not true. And there must be another story and it
must be
explosions and the spikes in geological institutions in five states,
2.2 on
the Richter scale, you have to find out what's the background. And
five or
seven days later the temperature on the ground was five hundred
degrees, or a
little bit more than 450, if just fires were-
AJ: We've got to break. We'll be right back.
(Commercial Break)
AJ: We're talking with Andreas von Bülow. Former minister at the
highest
levels of the German government. Former Technology Minister. And I
know we
have a lot of callers but we only have time to take maybe one or two,
Dan in
Oklahoma. I just want to commend Andreas von Bülow for writing this
book 9 11
and the CIA and I would hope a publisher would get a hold of it and
translate
it and publish it here because I would definitely carry it. You can
find
information on the book for those who read and speak German at
Infowars.com
and PrisonPlanet.com. Andreas von Bülow let's take a call, let's talk
to Dan
in Oklahoma. Dan, you're on the air go ahead.
Dan: Yes, thanks Alex. Mr. von Bülow my question is following this
disaster of
9 1 1, I understand Germany, France, and Russia and why they didn't
want to
get involved because of the money they had invested with Iraq. With
the
military-industrial complex like it is, what do you understand the New
World
Order to be especially since they said they could us this event to-
AJ: Yes, who are, who are the forces behind government-sponsored
terror?
AvB: Who are the forces behind government? I do not understand this.
AJ: Well we know this global government is forming. We know that
powerful
financial interests are engineering terror attacks, who are the forces
behind
the military industrial complex?
AvB: Well, it's always interesting. If you look at who owns the
munitions
factory in the East-West conflict or the Near-East conflict, they are
always
trying to sell their material to both sides. And, they are always
interested
in conflict and they would like after the breakdown of the Soviet
Union, the
noble thing would be to cut down this military-industrial complex,
which costs
the American taxpayer a huge amount of money. Exactly the same time
the Soviet
Union breaks down, this new terror thing comes up. The first terrorist
attacks
were I think the World Trade Center one and you find out the leading
guy of
this bombing, this time an agricultural bomb, he was going immediately
to FBI
and saying `I'll tell you everything about this' and they agreed
finally
twenty-four hours before the attack in 1993, they would change the
powder, the
dangerous powder against the [non] dangerous powder and the FBI didn't
come up
to do this so-
AJ: Yeah, they cooked the bomb and trained the drivers and that's
another patsy.
AvB:-people were [injured] and six people were dead. In Oklahoma you
had
nearly the same thing. You had two attacks. One was perhaps McViegh
and this
other guy but there was another attack much more strong than this
agricultural
bomb and there is an American general, an Air Force general who for I
think
ten years or fifteen years in charge of this explosive institute and
he said
never could this agrarian bomb bring about such damage. There must be
something else and they found that within the building there were
demolition charges.
AJ: Absolutely, Dan thanks for the call. I hope we can get you on in
the
future again, Andreas von Bülow, you've been so kind. You have such
amazing
courage to stand up and tell the truth and we've been honored to have
you on
the show from Germany. God bless you.
AvB: Thank you.
AJ: Thank you very much and have a good evening.
(2) Wall Street Journal debunks von Bülow claims
The Wall Street Journal classroom edition
CURRENT ISSUE :: DECEMBER 2003 :: INTERNATIONAL
Was 9/11 a U.S. Plot?
No, but Such Wild Theories Gain Surprising Attention in Europe
By Ian Johnson Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal
http://wsjclassroom.com/archive/03dec/intl_conspiracy.htm
How's this for a theory? A German named Andreas von Bülow argues in a
new book
that the U.S. government staged the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New
York and
Washington to justify wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It is a tentative
theory,
Mr. von Bülow admits, based mostly on his doubt that Osama bin
Laden's al
Qaeda terrorist group launched the attacks.
Is Mr. von Bülow some kind of crackpot? A conspiracy theorist who
believes
that Elvis lives and the CIA murdered Kennedy?
Not exactly. Actually, he is a former German government official whose
book, a
bestseller in Germany, comes from one of the country's most
prestigious
publishing houses and who lectures at well-known public institutions.
And he's
not alone: In recent months, Germany's leading broadcaster, ARD, ran a
purported documentary making similar claims, while several other
German
authors have published like-minded books.
"If we are being asked to participate in a new world war that's
going to last
years, then I expect that the cause of [the Sept. 11 attacks] be
explained in
the minutest detail," Mr. von Bülow told a crowd of 500 at
Literaturhaus in
Munich, a popular meeting place for the local literary community.
"What we
have received is a joke. I've just put together the things that don't
match
up."
Sinking Credibility
Conspiracy theories have long been part of the discourse in some parts
of the
globe, especially in places where a muzzled press and political
repression
warp public debate. But over the past two years, improbable theories
about the
Sept. 11 attacks have attracted serious attention in some Western
countries,
often in direct proportion to the sinking credibility given to the
U.S. and
its motives in international affairs.
In Britain, cabinet minister Michael Meacher, who resigned in the
fall,
published a blistering attack in the Guardian newspaper,
implying that the
U.S. government was involved in the attacks to justify a
more-interventionist
foreign policy. In France, Italy and Spain, authors have hit the
bestseller
charts over the past year by claiming that the U.S. is hiding the
truth about
9/11.
In most European countries, conspiracy theories have remained the
domain of a
fringe minority. In Germany, however, the theories have had legs, and
over the
past few months, waves of improbable and outrageous assertions have
received
serious hearings. A recent opinion poll by one of Germany's leading
polling
organizations found that one in five Germans believes "the U.S.
government
ordered the attacks itself."
The credibility given these theories has become so pronounced that the
country's leading newsmagazine, Der Spiegel, ran a cover story
recently,
giving a point-by-point rebuttal to the most widely spread myths.
Among them:
that Jewish people stayed out of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11,
2001,
because they had been tipped off. ARD had to backtrack on its
purported
documentary, later identifying the program's producer as a proponent
of
conspiracy theories whose ideas weren't accepted by experts.
A leading newspaper in Munich published a lengthy piece recently
called "Fools
of Fear," ridiculing the ideas. Conspiracy theories are
"having so much
success," says Hans Leyendecker, who wrote the piece. "We
had to do something
to counteract it."
Germans have long been among the most pro-American societies in
continental
Europe. But over the past year, German opinion has turned, opinion
polls show.
The war in Iraq was a turning point. Right after the Sept. 11 attacks,
Germany
pledged "unlimited solidarity" with the U.S. and sent troops
to help out in
Afghanistan. But when sights turned to Iraq, Germans had second
thoughts.
"Somewhere between Kabul and Baghdad, we lost each other,"
says Ron Asmus, a
senior fellow of the German Marshall Fund, a foreign-policy group.
"We didn't
just disagree on the policy but on the facts of what happened, and
from that
there was a jump to the conspiracy theories."
'Could Haves'
Few people have profited more from this changing view than Mr. von Bülow,
a
longtime legislator who left the German government in the 1990s and
began
writing on such issues as the role of intelligence in the Cold War.
After
Sept. 11, he had doubts, he says, about the source of the attacks.
"Muslims
wouldn't do this because they would know that it would hurt the Muslim
world,"
he says.
For a year, he says, he gathered information, mostly from Internet
sites. His
book contains many of the same ideas found in a bestseller from France
last
year called The Big Lie. This summer, just as German outrage
over the war in
Iraq was starting to boil, Mr. von Bülow came out with his book, The
CIA and
the 11th of September, International Terror and the Role of the Secret
Services.
Mr. von Bülow is careful to phrase his ideas in the subjunctive.
"Could haves"
and "might haves" are sprinkled liberally throughout his
book. But he is among
those who question whether planes actually crashed into the Pentagon
or in
Pennsylvania and suggests that the crashes might have been staged to
whip up
popular outrage. He implies that the alleged hijackers who were on
those
planes could still be alive.
At Mr. von Bülow's reading at Munich's Literaturhaus, not all those
in the
audience agreed with, or were familiar with, his specific charges. He
seemed
to win favor with his more-general claim that the U.S., once a model
for
postwar Europe, has become an unreliable nation, from which Germans
had best
keep their distance. "Each one of our countries has in the past
tried to be
the dominant world power," he said. "But I don't want to be
dragged into
another world war, one that will last for years and years."
In conversations with a dozen visitors, one woman said she found Mr.
von
Bülow's theories bunk, while others said they found them plausible.
"I can't
believe all of it. That would destroy my belief in humanity,"
says Daniel
Feifal, a student. "But that they knew about the attacks and let
them happen
because it could further their foreign-policy aims, yes, I'm prepared
to
believe that."
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