Dear Fellow Patriot!   13 January 2004 You know what they say: "The pen is mightier than the sword. " It looks like I have stirred the pot again with my emotional response to Veteran Revisionist Paul Grubach's response to Community News Columnist Paul Krupp. In his response, Mr. Grubach asserts that people who admire Hitler and agree with his treatment of the Jews must be all neo-Nazis. He quotes Dr. Robert Faurisson to back him up. We'll talk about this later. I was checking my favorite hate sites (Simon Wiesenthal Center,  ADL,  Southern Poverty Law Center and  Informations Dienst gegen Rechts-Extremism IDGR - the info services against right-wing extremism from Germany. http://www.idgr.de/news/2004/n040111-b.php Lo and behold, on their front page is this headline: "International Revisionisten Konferenz mit militanten Neo-Nazis" It was posted on January 11, and translated, it means: "International Revisionist Conference with militant neo-Nazis." Hear, hear! This plays right into our discussion from yesterday, where Paul Grubach says that revisionists distance themselves from "neo-Nazis." Well, the IDGR lists amongst the "neo-Nazis" holocaust denier Fredrick Toben "as the organizer." The sponsors are recorded at the IDGR website as "Mark Weber/IHR, John Bryant, who also goes by the name the Birdman as well as VNN News and the National Alliance." Speakers are "neo-Nazi" Tom Sunic, Bob Countess, Bradley Smith and the rest of our speakers. The IDGR calls the conference a sign of new radicalism. Horst Mahler is listed as the big gun of "neo-Nazis." Booksellers are also listed as "Verkaufs Staende": Noontide Press, Theses & Dissertation Press and Heimat Publishers. The German anti-hate site also gives its readers a clue to who our mystery speaker is because of Lady Michelle Renouf's "involvement with holocaust denier David Irving:" "Durchaus denkbar daher, dass es sich bei dem angekuendigten Ueberraschungsgast um David Irving handeln koennte." Strangely, they also list the prominent guests as "Neo-Nazis", for example, Elena Haskins of www.wakeupordie.com is listed as the most dangerous female representative of the white power movement as well as political activist Stan Hess, which IDGR calls "White Power Activist and Governor of the State of Idaho for David Duke." And, of course, at the end, the reader is warned about the "organizer", Dr. Toben "who also uses the name Toeben." "A convicted felon, who was sentenced in 1999 for 'Volksverhetzung'." There you are, Mr. Grubach, the enemy doesn't care if it's you or Dr. Sunic or myself. Just because we're revisionists, they call us "neo-Nazis." Wouldn't you agree that the term "neo-Nazi" therefore becomes a mute point? Interestingly, my name or Harvey Taylor's name do not appear anywhere. But this is just another example on how they lie about everything. Except for the speakers list, everything on the IDGR website is a lie. They are trying to depict the 2004 International Revisionist Conference in Sacramento as a violent gathering of "neo-Nazis." Now, combine this with the character assassinations and who wants to question that the Jews are not the most hateful people in the world. Now, let's get to the issue: In yesterdays Patriot Letter Paul Grubach quotes French's leading revisionist, Dr. Robert Faurisson: "Nazism is dead, and good riddance with its Fuehrer." However, as you will see in the letter below from Dr. Faurisson, who says that Paul Grubach was misquoting him: [START] According to Paul Grubach and quite a few other revisionists who trusted an old and wrong translation from French into English, I supposedly wrote in Le Monde (December 29, 1978): "Nazism is dead, and good riddance with its Führer". In fact I had written: "Le nazisme est mort, et bien mort, avec son Führer" i.e., in English: "Nazism is dead and gone, together with its Führer." In other words I was saying in 1978: Stop saying revisionists are only Nazis; Nazism disappeared together with Adolf Hitler. I would appreciate if you could publish that rectification. Thank you! Best wishes.       Robert Faurisson [END] So, let's now move on to Professor Kelso, who seems to be quite offended by stereotyping him. My apologies, and I will be more careful in the future: [START] you need to step back and take a deep breath. You are setting up strawmen that are foreign to my beliefs in order to work yourself up against them and, by extension, me... Just don't associate me with them. "And, by the way, it is annoying when I have to read these self-serving statements, particularly from Americans." If this applies to me, and it looks as if you meant it so, kindly quote my words that you deem are self-serving. "Yes, Professor Kelso ..., I believe that Adolf Hitler was justified in what he did to the Jews". So do I. Further, I agree the internment centers were not only justified, I don't think they were extraordinary considering it was war time. The internment centers were not meant as punitive to Jews. It was a defense tactic for those Zionists who chose not to immigrate or could not find a host country to accept them after Hitler offered the opportunity. It was meant as punitive only to criminals, traitors, etc. Later, of course, both populations were understandably used as common labor pools. The conditions which were reflected late in the war did not reflect a purposeful intent. Robert P. Kelso, Sr. [END] Apollonian gives his thoughts: [START] Thanks much for 12 January Patriot Letter--I'd like to submit Krupp wins rather emphatically; Grubach is really quite weak.  What was TITLE of work of Mattogno's and Graf's?--so we can check for ourselves--Grubach doesn't say, and his argument, such as it is, is weak.  We really need more information for Grubach to pretend more seriously to any substantial point.  All Grubach does is partially quote the conclusion without giving substantial premise (or argument), and ends by essentially saying, "see, Graf and Mattogno say so, therefore it must be true"--this is fallacy of argument-from-authority, very weak inductive argument and scholarship.  Same goes regarding David Irving upon Goebbels: just because Irving "says so" doesn't necessarily make it true; Goebbels' "Diary" is notoriously corrupted, and Irving is rather weak in any case.  Does Grubach have any other details/arguments?--he needs them to pretend to serious argument/scholarship.  Fact is Grubach is miserably prejudiced against Germany which was murdered/assassinated and victim to most putrid "done-deal" (conspiracy).  Krupp is not "foolish" at all--he merely gave Grubach plenty of "rope" by which to "hang."  Well done, Mr. Krupp!   Walter, can you please give full title and author for your cited work, Jewish Domination of Germany, 1919-1932?  I checked the index; there's no title, but maybe if we look by author I can find work; please respond, and thanks for your help.   Sincerely, A., impoverished combat-scholar   [END] Our friends from Italy with a word: [START] By now, when it's too late, all will have caught on: "America is the true country of downfall. The west of mankind. But the Atlantic sea is the isolating belt for the mind and every higher form of life." [Nikolaus Lenau, Sämtliche Werke und Briefe, in 6 vol.; published by E. Castle, Insel-Verlag, Leipzig 1910-11, vol. 3. Excerpt from the letter Georg Reinbeck, Lisbon in Ohio, March 5, 1833, p. 199) "What makes one's words stick in one's throat whenever one attempts to have a conversation with an American is their monumental self-righteousness. They prove with every sentence, every action, that they know absolutely nothing, yet they pretend that they are the only people who know anything. When confronted with several alternatives they do not hesitate: with energy and assurance they immediately choose the worst. And what is particularly bad is the way they continually act contrary to their own true interests." [Ernst von Salomon, "The Questionnaire", 1951] [END] In the heat I forgot to give you the exact reference to the book: The book is entitled "Jewish Domination of Weimar Germany 1919 - 1932." The book was originally published in 1933 by The General League of Anti-Communist Associations. Copyright by Eckart Verlag in Berlin. It was republished in 2003 by Dr. Fields, and you can order it at PO Box 1211, Marietta, GA 20061, USA. ******************************************************* And here is Dr. Bob Countess on the Zuendel fundraising: [START] To all who can send financial support to Ernst Zundel, I encourage your doing so. AT THE SAME TIME,   I urge all to realize that "a dream team" of the best lawyers in the world is not the solution, since the problem Zundel faces in his unjust imprisonment is NOT one of LAW, but a problem of POLITICS. The Jewish persecution of the innocent and pacifist Ernst Zundel is at bottom a political one and it is succeeding because Ernst is still in prison and there is NO criminal charge against him. In another four weeks' time, Ernst will have been in prison for ONE YEAR! Money to help is always needed and to be encouraged, but "the bottom line"  is the Jewish perversion of politics and government and law FOR THE NARROWLY SECTARIANIST AIMS OF JEWISH PERVERTS SUCH AS BERNIE FARBER AND HIS ILK AND THE CANADIAN JEWISH CONGRESS AND ALLIED ORGANIZATIONS. Finally, I have concluded-without any novelty, of course-that over the past three thousand years, the fundamental reason that "Jews" [however they dispute its meaning!] get into trouble with the hated Goyim is that "Jews" misbehave SO badly for SO long while IN Goy nations so that FINALLY, the Goyim have their fill with Jewish bad behavior and their special laws for special protection, and then decide to expel Jews. Canada is NOT at all anywhere near to such a fateful decision; certainly NOT the USA-my country.  But, I suggest that the Zundel persecution is but one step in Canada along the traditional path wherein Jews foul up their own nest and thus cause such a big stink that even non-Jews can smell it. Robert H. Countess, Ph.D. Ancient Greek email: boblbpinc@earthlink.net 28755 Sagewood Circle Toney, AL 35773  USA Phone: (256) 232-4940  Cell: (256) 653-7598 Fax:  (256) 232-4940 [END] ******************************************************* See you at the 2004 Sacramento Revisionist Conference, hosted by the European American Culture Council, sponsored by the Adelaide Institute! Organizer: Walter F. Mueller thetruthisback@yahoo.com Make your reservations today by contacting hansgemuetlich@yahoo.com Walter F. Mueller "The truth is back in business" The "Patriot Letter" is a free news service of Community News, a monthly publication with a circulation of 20,000. 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