(1) Larouche's Blindspot

Larouche material NEVER mentions Carroll Quigley's book The

Anglo-American Establishment. Nor does it mention Cecil Rhodes' secret

society, the Round Table, of which the Council on Foreign Relations

(CFR) is the American branc.

He never attacks the CFR per se. Why? Larouche is opposed to the British

Empire, but not to the United States' own empire (in Cuba, the

Philippines etc).

Rhodes' conspiracy joined up with the Zionist conspiracy by the Balfour

Declaration of 1917. Before that, the two were at loggerheads. These two

conspiracies maintain an uneasy alliance, yet Larouche material never

identifies them as TWO conspiracies joined. Instead, it depicts them as

a single entity, "the British".

(2) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:00:40 EDT From: Ichee@aol.com

Peter Wakefield Sault wrote:

"Achieving an understanding of consciousness is like climbing a very

high and unfamiliar mountain in the dark, and this is where it diverges

from scientific method. No one can climb it on someone else's behalf and

the notion that someone can is the fundamental flaw with Judaism and all

of its derivatives.

RJ/ichee Friday, May 16, 2003 when an animal looks in a mirror and

recognizes itself -it is self conscious. This can be increased."

(3) Swiss Banks again

Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 00:00:25 -0400 From: Ardeshir Mehta

<ardeshir@sympatico.ca>

No, in SWITZERLAND unemployment is not a sign of poverty: it's merely a

sign that the Swiss are refusing to take jobs which are nowadays done in

Switzerland by so-called *gastarbeiter*, "guest workers" - like sweeping

the floors and cleaning the public toilets!

If there's no cushy job available, these days they'd rather do no job at

all, rather than do something any Turk would be more than willing to do.

> "I think you're partly right, in that the Swiss Banks must be partly

> independent of other financiers such as the Jewish ones of Wall St and

the

> City of London."

THAT'S been the main thrust of my argument. Thank you.

> Your original idea that the Swiss banks are wholly Swiss, is thus

shown to

> be wrong."

Good point. But what about the requirement that foreign banks operating

in Switzerland have certain stringent legal requirements - as Guido

Carli says (in my translation): "In the case that it in fact carries out

its activity or does business prevalently or exclusively in Switzerland

or of [or for] Switzerland, the bank must, however, be organised

according to the [Swiss] national laws applicable to Swiss banks. ...

The foreign bank must obtain the authorisation of the Swiss vigilance

authorities in order to open a branch, an representative office or an

agency in Switzerland."

What about this?

I presume the Swiss vigilance authorities would make sure a foreign bank

did not do anything to deprive the Swiss of their goose that lays the

golden eggs! (At least if I were an official with these "vigilance

authorities", whoever they may be, that's what I would do!)

I think that, if Carli's statements are correct, the BCCI having bought

85% of Banque de Commerce et Placements (BCP) of Geneva would have

turned it into a "foreign bank" in the sense of the Swiss law, because

it would NOT be "carrying out its activity or doing business prevalently

or exclusively in Switzerland or of [or for] Switzerland" - don't you

think so? At least in the eyes of the Swiss vigilance authorities.

Besides, you will note that BCCI purchased a relatively small Swiss

Bank. It's not one of the top eight, which are Banque d'escompte Suisse,

the Eidgenossischen Bank, the Basler Handelsbank, the Schweizerische

Bankgesellschaft, the Schweizerische Bankverein, the Schweizerische

Kreditanstalt, the Schweizerische Volksbank and the Bank Leu. Maybe the

Swiss - or the UBS - made a deal with BCCI, letting it purchase this

small bank in return for some undisclosed favour.

I can accept the fact that the Swiss, whenever their objectives are NOT

compromised, will allow Jewish-owned banks to operate in Switzerland

(after all, they do allow the Rothschilds to have a branch in Zürich,

don't they?) and even co-operate with the Jewish-owned banks on

occasion. But the aims of the Swiss don't seem to be quite the same as

those of the Jews. The Swiss couldn't care less whether Israel exists or

doesn't, for instance. And they are not out to control the world's

thinking, via the media and the big publishing houses - as the "Masters

of Discourse" (Shamir's magnificent phrase) seem to be keen on doing.

But of course, on occasion the objectives of the Jews and the Swiss are

diametrically opposed - as in the Holocaust claims case.

But what I've been saying is nothing new. It's been repeated over

numerous Internet web sites with varying degrees of vehemence, and in

private even more vehemently. Here's a representative web site below. I

don't agree with EVERYTHING the author writes, and I'm sure you don't

either; but even if you were to agree with him only 50%, whatever it

boils down to would be worth the utmost careful consideration - don't

you think?

Here's the major portion of the web page (which can be found at

<http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-euskalherria/2002-February/000077.html>

- it's in fact a mailing list message on one of Yahoo's mailing lists):

[QUOTE]

Update: it's time the honest part of the world refuses to deal with the

Swiss banks.

The global planet destruction / wastelaying, soil erosion,

desertification, primary forest annihilation, pollution, acid rain,

global warming, ozone layer depletion and ozone overproliferation,

systemic contamination of the air, water and soil with chemicals,

automated mass-production, overcrowding, traffic jams and road accidents

from more than one thousand million motor vehicles increasing at an

annual rate of more than 75 million that kill and maim more humans than

the 2nd World War on an year by year basis is based on oil.

In less than one hundred years the totally out of control,

debt-financed, oil-based global economy has done more harm and damage to

the planet's eco-system than the previous 60 million years.

That's why the Swiss banks control the world's oil / gas supplies: they

are the world's largest oil traders; they own the Marc Rich Corp. and

Enron Corp. The Swiss banks bankrupted Enron through massive mutually

coordinated counter-trades in the derivatives market so UBS - one of the

chief global crime syndicates - could take them over for nothing.

UBS (United Bank of Switzerland) invented derivatives; ostensibly to

protect their clients from the ravages of the market manipulators /

boiler-room crooks. Instead UBS have used derivatives as sophisticated,

impenetrable instruments of theft.

Ordinary shareholders, investors, pensioners, savers are hostages to the

pre-calculated global market manipulations that the Swiss bank Zürich

Treasury Insiders / racketeers impose ruthlessly and relentlessly to

line their already overbloated pockets.

What is EU President Romani Prodi's Zürich "Investment" connection?

The corrupt / conniving media would never expose these rackets.

UBS is the world's largest daily derivatives trader.

Nobody knows how they cook them in their Zürich Treasury but they sure

trade them - even uncooked - from one kitchen to another. (aka internal

warehouse trading to fix books / records&profits).

The Swiss banks control the world's money supply; because they are the

world's largest creditors and debt traders; of course they only lend the

stolen money to OECD nations and globalised corporations that are under

their full control. Via the Bank for International Settlements they

determine the value of all global currencies; all of which have been

devalued by more than 1000% since 1939 against the Swiss franc making

the Swiss the richest people in the world.

Why would the Federal Reserve Banks of the United States license such

racketeers?

Who else is aiding and abetting?

Of course the Swiss banks are also the worlds largest gold, silver,

platinum and diamond traders / insiders. DeBeers and all the worlds gold

mines are now also conveniently registered as Zürich transfer-pricing

letterbox companies.

Who will they bankrupt next?

Remember Swissair! (Of course Swissair was only bankrupted to avoid the

claims from its fatal crash and after the Swiss banks stripped the

assets; now handed to the other crash airline "crossair".

For centuries hierarchical Feudalism was based on land and the serfs

were raped / enslaved through bondage. Now hierarchical Feudalism is

based on derivatives / transfer-pricing whereby the biggest trader /

insider / thief rapes / enslaves the entire world economy in a global

financial pyramid scam.

The Swiss banks control the world's food supply: because they are the

world's largest food traders; they own Nestle which owns Cargill and

thousands of subsidiary cartel corporations including all the world's

major food wholesale / retail giants / chains. Price fixing is

facilitated through a web of letterbox companies in Zug in Switzerland.

The Swiss banks are the world's biggest traders in tea, coffee, sugar,

tobacco, milk etc. If the Swiss don't grow / own it, they make billions

of US dollars trading it. All commodities in particular food are bought

and sold in long and short positions thousands of times before they're

even sown, harvested and shipped.

The Swiss banks stop at nothing because they can't. Syphoning off /

stealing / enticing / defrauding / laundering billions of US dollars

daily from savers, pensioners and markets they must keep these massive

sums in circulation thereby creating ever more dependency and

enslavement as the multinationals wipe out everything - from cornershops

to artisans - that's not mass-oriented and chain-owned where sly,

ignorant, arrogant, underpaid robots treat anonymous clients / customers

like conveyor belt dirt as part of the urban way of life where dog eats

dog.

The UNDP which is controlled by UNCTAD which is controlled by the

multinationals which are controlled by the Swiss banks has been forced

to introduce the deceptive PPP ("real" GDP per capita) for the poor of

the world. PPP purports to show that their purchasing power is much

higher than the US dollar based GDP. This is a criminal deception to

imply that the poor are doing better than they are. In fact as the Swiss

bank owned multinationals control the global supply markets there is

staggering inflation in all Third World nations and the poor are getting

poorer.

The world's Art and Real Estate market has also been corrupted and

perverted by the Swiss banks. They are now the world's largest Art and

Property dealers / traders financing ever more lunatic planet / habitat

/ fellow species destructive development. Yes anyone can launder

millions by simply taking works of art to a Swiss Bank; they'll recycle

the stuff to corrupt Museums via corrupt dealers and the proceeds go

into real estate development. 40% of all real estate in the Western

World is permanently unoccupied yet development is accelerating at a

furious pace because the Swiss banks can't keep the bulging cash tills

under their mattresses.

In the most grotesque connivance with the mafia / terrorists the Swiss

banks laundered the multi-million dollar proceeds from kidnappings of

wealthy individuals who were released once the money was safely in Swiss

bank vaults. Possibly the most outrageous tax-evasion / capital export

scam.

The Swiss banks control the world's commodity, futures and forex

markets; they are the world's largest daily traders in wheat, grain,

livestock, meat, stocks and shares and currencies. Daily trades exceed

hundreds of trillions of US dollars.

All the money / debt behind the world's major markets such as Chicago,

New York, London, Frankfurt, Singapore, Hongkong, Tokyo etc. originates

from the Swiss banks.

The Swiss banks are the world's biggest overnight lenders to banks,

governments, corporations and local authorities. It breeds deferential

subservience to the gnomes of Zürich.

It's time the honest part of the world refuses to deal with the Swiss

banks.

Debt / Bond maturities should be used to repay the stolen money to their

rightful owners from whom the Swiss banks have stolen it in the first

place and interest should be paid to the victims.

How come that the Swiss banks - out of one of the smallest countries in

the world - without any foreign retail branches - have become the

world's largest financial racketeers / manipulators / insiders /

creditors right under the noses of the International Community and its

law enforcement agencies?

Is it because too many politicians / bureaucrats hide their brown

envelopes in Zürich?

Why is the self-appointed European Union International Policy Chief

Xavier Solano sponsored by the gnomes of Zürich?

What is the conniving connection between the European Union Commission

(past and present) and the Swiss banks - permitting them to syphon off

the savings and pensions of EU citizens when Switzerland continues to

avoid membership of the EU to protect the moneylaundering /

transferpricing scams of its banks.

The Swiss banks control the world's stock markets; they own The London

Stock Exchange (a limited company) and the Regulatory Authority SFA (The

Securities and Futures Authority - a limited company). The Swiss banks

are the world's largest daily long and short shares and stock traders

whose (shadow) trades involve trillions of US dollars. The Swiss banks

have perfected the art of shadow / insider trading; i.e. manipulating

the markets through massive trading amongst their own subsidiaries and

cartel associates - all of which financed from the same treasury /

moneylaundry in Zürich.

The Swiss banks also control the world's chemical industry via Novartis,

Ciba, Clariant, Lonza and thousands of subsidiary cartel corporations

that poison, contaminate and pollute the rivers, lakes, oceans and the

global air, soil and water sources.

Remember Sandoz (now UBS owned Ciba) which caused the Chernobyl of

Basel.

Nobody was ever charged when they (these are all doctorate graduates

from Swiss universities where they teach you how to steal, cheat and rob

and get away with it) blew up their warehouse on the Rhine of US Dollars

one thousand million of obsolete chemicals and told the firemen to hose

it straight into the river; contaminating and poisoning the Rhine all

the way to Rotterdam.

All respective government / environmental officials and the media were

suitably paid off to shut up.

The Swiss banks control the world's pharmaceutical industry via Roche,

Bayer, Merck, Aventis and thousands of subsidiary cartel corporations

that flood the world with addictive lifestyle drugs which are needed to

obscure the reality of the global Swiss bank originated chaos / planet

destruction whose side effects are an additional endless moneyspinner.

The Swiss banks also control the world's media corporations including

AOL Time Warner (CNN), n-tv, TV5, the BBC (via brown envelopes or other

favours), Euronews and Sky / Fox news corp, associated newspapers and

magazines and a host of subsidiary cartel associates like Reuters,

Pearson (FT) etc. (via debts, bonds, derivatives and long / short market

positions) that flood and drown the world daily with selected Swiss bank

originated / approved irrelevant contemporary disinformation /

propaganda, human glorification and planet-destructive "achievements"

that fix elections for more of the same.

Of course advertisers have always controlled the media; now they own it.

The media must now make good and investigate and expose the crimes and

history of the Swiss banks.

The Swiss banks also control the world's largest embryo and artificial

insemination manufacturer - Ares Serono - to make sure that the 20% of

humans that keep the Swiss banks in business keep growing in numbers.

In fact there is no multinational corporation / accountancy / audit /

law firm that is not at anyone time owned, controlled and manipulated by

the Swiss banks because the Swiss banks are the world's largest asset

owners / managers with trillions of US dollars that must be "invested /

laundered".

So where do the Swiss banks have all this money from:

All the world's corrupt (rightwing) crime / political / military / royal

families have their fortunes stashed away in secret number accounts in

the Swiss banks. Marcos managed to bank the billions of US Dollars he

received from the IMF and the World Bank in Switzerland without anybody

in the world knowing ... except of course the other rightwing families

that control the IMF and World Bank, certain governments and the gnomes

of Zürich. This brotherhood of crime regularly corrupts and perverts

politics. When they decided that the late Harold Wilson was too much of

an Oxford Don and Socialist and must be brought down; they simply

bankrupted Britain by shorting the pound sterling until it collapsed.

(They've done this subsequently to a host of countries from Thailand,

Russia, Brazil, Mexico to Argentina and recently they've been going

after the Euro and US Dollar - that's why the feudal elites keep their

money in Swiss francs and in Zürich number accounts) They then publicly

forced The British Prime Minister to come cap in hand to Zürich and beg

the gnomes' lackeys for a bridging loan which they graciously granted

from the money they had in effect stolen and syphoned off Britain

previously.

They appointed former German CDU ("Christian Democrat") Chancellor Kohl

to the gnomes of Zürich main board of Directors (Credit Suisse) with the

specific task of ruining the German economy to bring down the socialist

Schroeder Government. Unfortunately Kohl was prevented from taking up

the appointment due to corruption inquiries involving money-laundering

via Swiss banks from arms-dealing and party slush funds causing his

wife's suicide.

To bring down the Jospin socialist government the Swiss Banks

double-crossed the son of former President Mitterand who had deposited

billions in commissions from arms sales to Africa on behalf of African

military and political leaders.

While Mitterand was in power as President of France the Swiss banks

didn't dare to expose these arms deals because there was too much to

lose.

No wonder todays' socialist governments are keen to see the Swiss banks

involved in their country's infrastructure; like UBS Warburg bringing

British Railtrack to the market making billions in profit while

Railtrack went bust. Soon they will be let a go at the rundown /

mismanaged hospitals; they sure need a bleeding ... next to come:

privatised police / law enforcement so the Swiss banks can trade them

long or short or suitably bankrupt them when required.

All the world's corporate Directors, top managers, traders and dealers

have their vast, overbloated multi-million dollar salaries / commissions

/ backhanders / bonuses / stock options hidden in secret Swiss bank

accounts from the preying eyes of their exploited, underpaid serfs /

workers / mugs that make them rich and fat. After all they don't need

their salaries like ordinary people because they can live a luxurious

five star lifestyle on corporate expenses that include limousines /

yachts / private jets and townhouses and country mansions.

All the world's top entertainers, actors, tennis / golf players, racing

drivers, footballers and other ludicruously overpaid media performers

paid to fill time for the watching-screen-zombies that are the

mass-consumption-zombies that are the serfs / workers / mugs that make

the fortunes that make the Swiss banks control and manipulate the world

- bank with the gnomes of Zürich.

All the world's corporations, traders / dealers operate millions of

letterbox companies in Zug and Zürich for the art of transfer-pricing; a

neat way to con the mugs / serfs / workers that these are hard days

whereby massive invoicing for services, software and hardware takes

place at artificially fixed prices that leave the profits in tax-free

Switzerland.

Foreign owned letterbox companies conveniently need not keep books or

file accounts in Switzerland.

The world's shrinking number of Accountancy / Audit / Law firms that

have merged into the world's growing number of multinationals make sure

that "creative accounting" and "insider laws" are suitably redesigned to

protect their brothers in crime.

Of course prosperity has exponentially increased: 20% of the world's

population, i.e. some 500 million humans consumed 80% of the world's

resources, caused 80% of pollution, contamination and planet / habitat /

species destruction in 1950.

Today this "lucky" 20% has increased to a staggering 1,300 million

humans and they still consume 80% of the world's resources and cause 80%

of pollution, planet / habitat / species destruction.

This 20% keeps growing nicely to keep the rich getting richer and the

poor getting poorer.

Why do you think DeBeers is now headquartered in Zürich?

Take India with a GNP of some USD 500 per year per capita where in fact

earnings for 80% of the population have shrunk to the level of 1971 and

amount to less than ten US dollars a month; yet the super rich all bank

in Zürich like the British Government feted Hinduja brothers who were

able to pay two million pounds sterling for UK passports; money directly

stolen from the Indian economy.

But multiplying the mass-consumption zombies debt-accelerated purchasing

power and genetically engineered software and hardware buying tendencies

/ frenzy by the other 80% of humans who subsist on nothing would

literally see the global Chernobyl - that was planet Earth - wiped out.

That's why the 20% have appointed the Swiss banks to rule the world and

keep them in the comfort they're accustomed to.

It's the world's most criminal back-scratching deal.

According to the IUCN only some 5% of global landspace remains as Nature

in the form of natural habitat; the remaining 95% are already invaded,

occupied, polluted, contaminated and poisoned to feed, house, clothe,

employ, transport, defend, entertain and genetically engineer ever more

humans.

Some idiot (a close friend of the Swiss Asbestos-billionaire who founded

the "The World Business Council for Sustainable Development") told

President Reagan that Texas could easily accommodate 6 billion humans;

dismissing talk about human overpopulation and too stupid / ignorant to

work out that the remaining 94% of the planet would still be needed to

supply / feed everyone.

And who are the Swiss banks? Today there's only two left and they own

everything: UBS AG (United Bank of Switzerland) and Credit Suisse (Swiss

Credit Bank) and thousands of foreign subsidiaries and cartel

associates.

And who owns the Swiss Banks?

The infamous gnomes of Zürich own the Swiss banks.

Nobody has ever seen, talked or interviewed them.

And of course they also own, control and manipulate the Swiss Government

and literally every other government in the world; the Swiss Army; the

United Nations (without being a member), the World Economic Forum /

Summit, The European Economic Commission, The World Trade Organisation,

The Olympic Committee under Adolf Ogi, former shoe polish salesman and

Swiss President, etc. etc.

The gnomes of Zürich are not super brains - on the contrary they are

just ordinary pykies with that cunning Swiss peasant mentality that

says: "we know we're stupid bastards that know nothing" (none of them

has an MBA or ever been to a real university; Swiss universities are

just bank subsidiaries where you learn how to massage accounts / cheat /

fleece clients, develop easy saleable scientific / technological crap

and anything that can be flogged / traded on the globalised markets).

Hence the gnomes of Zürich have found that well educated, knowlegdeable

people can be bought like candy and manipulated like marionettes and

surprisingly they found that if you paid them well enough they could

become as crooked as the gnomes of Zürich themselves.

Once the Swiss banks have enticed / incited / scored a new secret number

account client via their global false, deceptive, misleading, fraudulent

and dishonest advertising carried by their own conniving corrupt media;

this new client will soon be blackmailed / fleeced according to status

(so-called private banking is the Swiss banks' most profitable extortion

racket): ... or we'll expose your account number and get you done by in

our very own media.

No wonder Italian prime minister Berlusconi (yet another Christian

Democrat) has made himself chief of the diplomatic service and Foreign

Minister. He's already judge and jury as he rules Italy as Dictator

despite a six year jail sentence for corruption. He's been a dedicated

laundry client of the Swiss banks for decades.

It has made the world's military / political / entertainment / business

echelon a bunch of pliable suckers to the crime tunes of the gnomes of

Zürich.

And if the world's central banks don't do as they're told their

countries currencies' get a beating in the "short" market.

Of course the gnomes of Zürich have a history that goes back to the

First World War when people started to entrust their savings and

pensions to the Swiss banks for safekeeping. When millions didn't come

back the Swiss banks used their money to buy up banks and corporations

worldwide. The Second world War made them even richer as the Nazis

laundered all their stolen money and gold and paid high commissions

which together with the savings of the Holocaust victims added up to

billions; since when the Swiss banks have never looked back and

literally took over the world.

Like all crime bosses the gnomes of Zürich don't give a damn about

anything as long as it makes money.

The planet is doomed as long as this crime syndicate continues to

operate.

It's time to break up the Swiss banks, pay back the stolen savings and

pensions, distribute the laundered trillions to the poor in the Third

world (not their leaders or it'll go straight back to Zürich), make

number accounts illegal, bring the Swiss bank crime bosses to justice

and restore a global financial system based on honesty instead of debt

and theft. ___

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over-proliferation and over-population. Equal Earth stands for equal

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The author provides no proof for anything, and much of what

he writes could well be exaggerated or even altogether false; but if

even half of what he says is true, it's mind-boggling.

{end}

(4) REPLY {Peter}

Ardeshir,

You've lowered your standards by treating the above tract as

authoritative. But perhaps it shows where you're getting your ideas

from.

It's anonymous, and nothing more than a rave. The author sounds like a

Green utopian Communist. If equalearth@yahoo.com is so reliable and

sincere, why can't he provide his name?

You can't just divide his claims by 2 and accept that half - rather, you

must throw this item in the trash where it belongs.

The first point one notes about it, is that it absolves Wall St & the

City of London of all power and responsibility.

Now compare the above with the following from:

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1995/2241_bcci.html

"In 1976, BCCI established a Swiss base of operations by purchasing 85%

of Banque de Commerce et Placements (BCP) of Geneva. The remaining 15%

was retained by the original owner, Thesarus Continental Securities

Corp., a wholly owned subsidiary of Union Bank of Switzerland (UBS).

Under BCCI control, BCP was managed by Alfred Hartmann, a former senior

official of UBS. Hartmann eventually became chief financial officer for

BCC Holding, and was the person most accountable for the "lost" $23

billion. While serving as BCCI's "man in Switzerland," Hartmann was

always operating on behalf of the Rothschild family. Hartmann was

president of Rothschild Bank AG of Zurich, was vice-chairman of

NY-Intermaritime Bank of Geneva (run by Mossad operative Bruce

Rappaport), and was a member of the board of directors of the elite N.M.

Rothschild and Sons in London."

Here you have specific information: $23 billion, 85%, the names of

banks, the names of their owners, the locations Geneva and London.

You talk of "stringent legal requirements ... the BCCI having bought

85% of Banque de Commerce et Placements (BCP) of Geneva would have

turned it into a "foreign bank" ... a relatively small Swiss Bank."

But this Swiss part of the operation, according to the above report, is

the part "most accountable" for the lost $23 billion in the biggest

banking bankruptcy in history.

Where were these "stringent legal requirements"? You're confusing the

theory with the practice.

(5) Swiss Banks continued

Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 19:24:19 +0100 From: "Peter Wakefield Sault"

<sault@cyberware.co.uk>

Ardeshir said - "But as I also added, it's not the DEPOSITORS who

control how a bank behaves, or what the bank in which they deposit their

money does with it! It's the bank's OWNERS who decide that."

Oh yes! Ardeshir is absolutely right on that one. But it's neither

always the 'owner' who has the final say. I believe I told you about

Roywest Trust Corporation (Bahamas) Limited once before. Do correct me

if I'm wrong.

Roywest is (or was at the time that I worked there) a 50/50 split

between the ROYal Bank of Canada and National WESTminster Bank, the

latter at that time (early 1980s) being Britain's biggest commercial

bank - hence the name Roywest. In order to encourage large (100

million+) depositors, these are offered the opportunity to pay Bahamian

income tax on the income derived from their deposits no matter where

they are resident. At the time that I was there, there was a *lot* of

money on deposit, all from British and Commonwealth citizens [and one US

citizen but that's another story]. All of the deposits were invested on

the NY stock exchange, via Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch, or in US

real estate.

The Royal Bank of Canada is so named because it has a 'Royal Charter'

from you-know-who. It would seem that Nat West 'owned' Coutts, and

Coutts, as everybody knows, handles the royal current account. But you

also know how it is with the royal family - just hope they don't turn up

for tea and if they do, that they don't like your antiques; "That's a

nice piece" is Monarchical code for "wrap it up and send it round to the

Palace right away (as soon as we're gone)" - and no, there is no

financial recompense. Instead, like every good Jew who pays his 40% into

the synagogue, you get all the best opportunities handed to you on a

plate.

So - it doesn't take a great deal of imagination to see, in such a case

as this, that the line of obeisance probably went the same way as the

line of ownership.

Bahamian income tax? Zero%

(6) Swiss Banks or Jewish - more

Date: Sat, 17 May 003 14:28:51 -0400 From: Ardeshir Mehta

<ardeshir@sympatico.ca>

> First you say that Jewish finance is much less important than Swiss

> finance, which you say is non-Jewish.

Well, let me qualify that stance a bit. The Swiss are not predatory like

Jewry is. (I would prefer to use the term "Jewry" to "The Jews" because

not all members of Jewry are Jewish, and not all Jews are members of

Jewry.)

I want to differentiate between Jewish money and Goyish money, and to

point out that Goyish money is much greater in amount than Jewish. But

Jewry is working, as it were, in concert, to obtain that which is

(quote-unquote) "good for the Jews" - while the Goyim are all over the

place. The Swiss are one of the few Goyish groups who do work for their

own interests, and that's one reason I have singled them out.

> Then you echo Chomsky's line that Israel is a US asset, rather than

the other way around.

Well, not quite. I say, like Henry, that the REAL Jewish state is now

America. Jewry controls America almost one hundred per cent now. But in

the past too, when America WASN'T a Jewish state in that sense, America

was the most predatory state in the world. And that during pretty much

the whole of the 20th century, and even before - even at a time when

there were signs in lots of upstate New York hotels reading "No Negroes,

no dogs, no Jews". THAT'S what Chomsky is saying, and that's what I say

too.

Just let me ask you a question: If Israel - and indeed all the Jews -

were to be wiped off the map tomorrow, by how much do you think

America's predatory nature diminish? I'd say, not much more than five

per cent!

> How do you explain Benjamin Ginsberg's evidence that Jews dominate the

> U.S., in his book The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State (University of

> Chicago Press, Chicago 1993)?

I think he's one hundred percent right.

But Jewry works exclusively for "What's good for the Jews". It couldn't

care less about what's not important to the Jews, like America's

intervention in Nicaragua or East Timor or South East Asia!

But none of this contradicts what I am saying or what Chomsky is saying,

that America ALSO does all it can to put down other people in the world

who have nothing to do with Israel or the Jews.

What did America do in the Philippines? Why did America provoke Japan

into attacking Pearl Harbour? What about the Monroe Doctrine, which

deals exclusively with the Americas? What about Colombia, Panama,

Grenada? What about Chile and Allende? What about the ongoing American

support for Pakistan, including its nukes (which quite likely it helped

build)? What about its support for the Turks against the Kurds? None of

this benefits "the Jews" at all - or if at all, only marginally. America

has been predatory ALL OVER THE WORLD, not exclusively in Israel and

against the Palestinians.

Arguably, even the war against Iraq is not REALLY for Israel. Oil in

Israel is not cheap, and is not going to get much cheaper with the war.

It wasn't because Israel was in any danger: everyone knew there weren't

any WMD in Iraq. It wasn't for allowing Israel to expand all the way to

the Euphrates: Israel hasn't done so, though it could easily have. The

war may have benefited some Jews in America, but it did not benefit

Israel except marginally. But as I said, this is arguable. I won't argue

it if you dispute it: but I WILL argue about all those other things!

> And what about Jeffrey Blankfort's evidence? Also a Jew, he writes in

his paper The Israel Lobby and the Left: Uneasy Questions (in Left Curve,

No. 27): http://www.leftcurve.org/LC27WebPages/IsraelLobby.html

Here Chomsky is dead wrong and Blankfort is quite right. There IS a

Jewish Lobby, and it's damnably powerful. The proof is, that there is NO

American Lobby, representing what's good for ordinary Americans!

But where Blankfort IS wrong is in what he INSINUATES, but does not SAY.

He insinuates that if Jewry were to disappear - "poof!" - from the

entire Earth tomorrow, America would behave like a good and decent

state. It wouldn't. See the articles published on the Net, linked at my

web page entitled "The Rogue State"

(<http://homepage.mac.com/ardeshir/RogueState.html>.)

> Chomsky's ... attempt to portray the

> US-Israel relationship as mirroring that of Washington's relations to

its client regimes in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Nicaragua, has no basis

in reality. ..."

Of COURSE Chomsky is dead wrong in THAT.

But let me ask you once again, which I already posed rhetorically on my

"Chickendoves" page

(<http://homepage.mac.com/ardeshir/Chickendoves.html>) - AND PLEASE

DON'T EVADE THE QUESTION, NOW! - "Even if Israel were to disappear

today, and all the American Jews to emigrate to Paflagonia - wherever

that may be - by how much would the sufferings of the world [caused by

America] diminish? I figured, not much more than 5 per cent. Do the math

yourself."

And I don't think even Blankfort could convincingly argue in favour of a

figure higher than (gasp!) 50 per cent!

I repeat: please don't evade the question, now.

{end}

REPLY (Peter): Yes, but even if you're right, one can't ignore the

driving force behind the current war. The Middle East has been a powder

keg for 50 years, and it could finish us all off.

(7) Re: Mossad in Britain . . . HOW ABOUT EVERYWHERE ELSE TOO ???

Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:03:35 -0400 From: "Wolfram Eric Omar Graetz,

Architect" <Wolfram@AaaHawk.com>

JUST TELL ME "WHEN" . . . DOES THE MOSSAD KNOCK ON MY DOOR ?

NOTHING BUT QUESTIONS: Are we are NOW FORCED to purchase and to be NOW

equipped DAILY with a high powered machine gun, plenty of armor piercing

teflon coated bullets, hand grenades, and other armor and weaponry,

night vision glasses, etc., simply to protect ourselves individually

(ignore the local police which can NOT protect any one) from SATAN'S

ROAMING ZIONIST MOSSAD MURDER ASSASSINATION SQUADS ???

I have never served in any military (to protect a government and its

stupid goals) NOR have I ever owned any self-defense instrument. BUT NOW

. . . at 'THE TIME OF THE END' . . . Satan's Roaming Zionist Mossad

Assassination Squads literally demand from each of us to simply be . . .

on the look out for them . . . and to be ready for the kill. They

themselves tell all of us . . . be ready for us . . . we will come and

kill . . . we are traveling killers. So, what do we do ???

To know an assassin . . . is always AFTER the completed act of murder.

Therefore, the question is . . . when I see a Zionist . . . someone who

may look like to belong to the Mossad Assassination Squad (with or

without sun glasses) . . . 'WHO' shoots first ??? How long do I have to

wait before I pull the trigger simply to protect myself ??? . . . simply

to stay alive ???

Are I am now an Anti-Semite . . . because I MUST NOW protect myself from

these Zionist murder misfits roaming possibly also in my neighborhoods?

Who will answer my questions and worries ?

Wolfram in Washington, D.C.

Wolfram,

Don't stoop to their level. Best to fight with intellect rather than

guns.

Look at what happened to William Cooper. Arming yourself only gives Big

Brother an excuse to get you.

Peter

(9) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:29:55 -0700 From: Phil Eversoul

<Philev@e-znet.com>

on the 911 attack ... (on Rense) Exposing NORAD's Wag The 911 Window

Dressing Tale Using NORAD's Own Press Release And Fifth Grade Math

by Mark Elsis, Lovearth.net, January 8, 2003

http://www.standdown.net/index.htm

 

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