1. steel68 Says:
March
9, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Patrick,
Your posting of this interview with Andrew leads me to wonder at times why you
do not evolve Zionist Watch from a blog to a site in which you can further
“explore” your creative energies and launch a much more vigorous
offensive.I know Zionist Watch is not the only thing in your life that
requires careful attention and such is the case for all strong
natures,however,I personally see the potential for ZW to undergo a
transformation into an entity of very,very threatening proportions. Even
synthesizing “other elements” into the fold.An unprecedented and
unrecognizable salvation coalescing around a vital center.An uplift which
flows under perpendicular stress in the belly of a Krakatoa.It’s early 1920
and the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei is but one of many laughable political groups
seeking footing in the cannibalistic world of realpolitik.Then suddenly-A
MATCH!The arson of Nazism has yet to be defined!
“The
sharp hostility between Nazism and the Jews means infinitely more than that
which the detractors of the Hitler faith so lightly take it to be.It reveals
not the usual tension between any two rival ‘racialisms’,but the unique
opposition between two poles of thinking life.That is the hidden but real
reason why it is absolute,and why its tangible expressions have been,and will
at first opportunity again be,so deadly”-Savitri Devi
2. valetoni Says:
March
10, 2008 at 12:58 am
What
I don’t understand is that Winkler is essentially saying what Noel Ignatiev
says, that to be a responsible member of humanity and the global community,
you have to give up the mindset of Jewishness and/or whiteness, which instills
within people a sense of perceived superiority over others. Ignatiev called
for the abolition of whiteness, Winkler calls for the abolition of Jewishness,
and I agree with both sentiments. I would also urge the abolition of
Christianity, which has produced its share of Kahanes and chosenites who
believe in their inherent superiority over others. The Boers, in collusion
with the Dutch Reformed Church, believed themselves akin to the Israelites in
search of a promised land, and had a right to take whatever they wanted from
the savage heathens of Africa.
Why
Mr. Grimm associates himself with a murderous cult named after a crucified
Nazarene heretic and bastard is beyond me. It wasn’t until the New Testament
that the idea was introduced that a person can actually suffer after death,
for all eternity, where in the Old Testament, death was enough, there was no
concept of hell. Christianity pollutes the minds of nearly 3 billion in the
world today, yet is losing influence for reasons that are never explained by
those who maintain that it is under attack. De-Christianization is a good
thing. So is de-Islamization. The Jews are bad; Christians are good argument
is verifiably untrue, if anything they are equal in terms of the religiously
and racially inspired depravity they have brought to the world, but you always
have people who criticize one and never the other, when both are stupid and
cruel and destructive. Of course, Mr. Grimm opposes much of what I support,
and does so presumably because of some Aryan Christian impulse that leads to
delusions of grandeur about himself and his race. He is not alone in such
things, unfortunately. Hatred and bigotry are not hatred and bigotry,
discrimination is not really discrimination, but simply natural reactions to
non-white non-Christian behavior. Right. And Christians never practiced usury,
either. Allow me to use the elitist flagword solipsism to describe this whole
endeavor.
3. jesusisgod Says:
March
10, 2008 at 5:09 am
This
is the right approach. Present numerous, concrete examples of talmudic
principles in action. Like the ritual murder of Father Thomas in Damascus:
http://jesuslordofall.wordpress.com/
4. jewishawareness Says:
March
10, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Patrick,
thank you for your latest post. I have mentioned before how much I admire your
writing, and also how much I appreciate your efforts on our behalf. However, I
must express my concerns about this man, Andrew Winkler, and his Site
“ZIOPEDIA.ORG” Before things become inflammatory, please allow me to
explain some of these concerns, which were apparent to me even in the first
few minutes on his site. On Mr Winkler’s site, is an interview conducted by
a Mr Robert Lindsay.
http://www.ziopedia.org/articles/editorial/%22elie_wiesel_and_the_big_lie%22/
This
Interview is similar in both form and content to the one conducted by
yourself, and once again, Andrew Winkler was the interviewee and the date of
publication is given as: Thursday, 15 February 2007.
Nothing
remarkable there, you might say, and you would be right – But let us examine
your first question to Mr Winkler and his reply:
-Patrick
Grimm
Andrew,
welcome. Briefly tell us a little bit about your background and what brought
you into the anti-Zionist movement. Was there one overwhelming catalyst for
your activism?
Andrew
Winkler: “I’m an Australian born baby boomer who has worked most of his
life as an IT executive, in Australia and overseas. The catalyst for my
activism was September 11, when I realized that this terrible event was
actually performed by Mossad, with inside help from the U.S. government. I got
very upset because nobody seemed to care or want to know. Most people are too
busy not being left behind in their career, paying off mortgages and finding
the money for their kids’ education, to spare much thought on how close we
are to the realisation of George Orwell’s worst nightmares. Something needed
to be done before we reach the point of no return. If everybody just cared
about his and his immediate family’s material needs, our governments could
get away with just about anything.”
——————————
Still, everything seems fine – Untill, that is, we compare it to the first
question and answer from his earlier interview with Robert Lindsay:
Robert
Lindsay: Can you give us some information about your background?
Andrew
Winkler: “I’m a baby boomer, born in Australia, grown up in France and
Germany. I am hence fluent in English, French and German, and do also speak
several other languages. Foreign languages, history and culture have always
been a passion of mine. Both sides of my family are from Central Europe, with
a mixed ethnic background. Before, during and after WW2, they experienced
racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing from both sides of the conflict. I
gave up a successful career as an IT executive to follow my vocation as a
dissident activist.”
—————————
This, I feel, is a more revealing answer, but Patrick, that’s not meant to
be a criticism of your ability to draw this man on his background as I’m
sure he’s been advised, in future, to keep this fact to himself:
“Both
sides of my family are from Central Europe, with a mixed ethnic background.
Before, during and after WW2, they experienced racial discrimination and
ethnic cleansing from both sides of the conflict…”
—————————–
Especially, as he tells us “I gave up a successful career as an IT executive
to follow my vocation as a dissident activist.”
Now,
I don’t know if Mr Winkler is Jewish, but I do know that prospects are bleak
for Jews in an anti-Semitic movement – and bleak they should be.
Indications
that people are suspicious about this man’s motives and ethnicity might
explain his answer to your question, below.
-Patrick
Grimm
“How
has the transition to a partial paid subscription site been working for
Ziopedia?”
Andrew
Winkler: “As expected, it was difficult. In the first two months we only
reached 15% of our half year goal, so we are behind target. Only 0.5% of our
regular readership so far have subscribed….”
————————
Perhaps the other 99.5% of his regular readership have seen his answer to
Robert Lindsay’s first question where he states: “…I am hence fluent in
English, French and German, and do also speak several other languages.” -
and have been left wondering, as I have, if one of those “other languages”
might be Yiddish or perhaps even Hebrew.
Let
us now look at who the lucky subscribers can invest in today. On the
ZIOPEDIA.ORG homepage, on offer for $6, is a peep into the dark world of Henry
Makow, in a piece headed:
“Humanity
is Under Occult Attack”
Henry
Makow is a Canadian Jew, who has been doling out “advice” to Gentiles
since the age of 11. He has imported into Canada, a Filipino woman, who he
married, divorced and then remarried – Isn’t this, the importation of
non-Europeans into our communities, for whatever purpose, just one of the
problems that is identified in the articles on this blog?
How
ironic, that this Jew, Henry Makow, is the inventor of a board game called:
“Scruples”.
To
the left of Henry Makow’s article is a section which deepens my concern.
Here you will find the: “Latest offers”
And
on offer for $35 plus postage, is book by a Jew called Benjamin Ginsberg. The
title of this book is:
“The
Fatal Embrace” and is published by The University of Chicago Press.
Two
things to note about this “Latest offer”
1.
It is written by a Jew who is a rabid Zionist and whose professional life has
been dedicated to shoe horning even more Jews into US government
2.
This book was published in 1993 and is hardly what might be described as up to
date.
I
know these things to be correct because I bought this book almost 15yrs ago
and I have it to hand now. It is my opinion that careless promotion of this
book is not in the interests of our movement and it should not be peddled to
unsuspecting buyers who might be struggling to come to terms with what for
them, could be new and difficult issues.
This
book has value, but, if recommended, it should come with an explanation as to
why it is being promoted and accompanied by a caveat from the vendor.
This
is what it says inside the dust jacket:
“Anti-Semitism
has started to surface again in American political life. Only recently, the
President and Presidential candidate questioned the loyalty of American Jews;
a State Governor pointedly deleted the “Judeo” from America’s
“Judeo-Christian” heritage: and a Jewish bystander was brutally murdered
during violent conflicts between Hasidic Jews and African Americans in New
York. What explains the apparent resurgence of a phenomenon many Americans
thought could never happen here?
In
this provocative book, Benjamin Ginsberg examines the cycle of Jewish success
and anti Semitic attack throughout the history of the Diaspora, with a
concentrated focus on the special case of America. For Ginsberg the central
issue is not anti-Jewish feeling, but the conditions under which such
sentiment is likely to be used in the political arena. He book identifies the
political dynamics that historically have set the stage for the persecution of
the Jews.
Wherever
Jews have settled, Ginsberg shows their literacy, commercial skills, and even
their social marginality that have made them useful to King’s, princes, and
sultan’s - to say nothing of prime ministers, commissars, and presidents.
Ambitious rulers have found in the Jews the source of talent not tied to the
status quo, and given them protection and opportunity in exchange for their
services as administrators, financiers, and diplomats. Jews have played major
roles in building States - including the United States of America.
In
this embrace of the state of the, Jews have risen to positions of great wealth
and power. Time and again, however, the influence has proved to be temporary
as Jews become the touchstones of opposition to the regime that they helped
build. The embrace of the state has proved to be fatal.
Is
America, as many argue, the exception to this pattern? Does America’s
liberal tradition preclude the possibility of mobilised anti Jewish hostility?
Surveying the political history of Jews from the Civil War to the 1992
presidential elections, Ginsberg masterfully traces the ebb and flow of
political anti-Semitism in the U.S. In America as elsewhere, opposing
political forces have used anti-Semitic appeals to attack regime’s with
which Jews were allied. Because the embrace of the state has been so
problematic for the Jews, Ginsberg is cautionary about the future, even in
light of the extraordinary visibility of Jews in the Clinton
Administration.”
“Benjamin
Ginsberg is director of the Washington centre for the study of American
Government and the David Bernstein professor of political science at the Johns
Hopkins University. Among his other books are The Captive Public, American
Government: Freedom and Power, and Politics by Other Means.”
“The
Fatal Embrace” published by The University of Chicago Press (1993)
As
I have said, this book, like many of its kind, does have some value for our
cause, but that value will only be apparent to the most experienced amongst us
– any newcomer might find within its pages; only “confirmation” and
“evidence” of the very thing that we deny – The “evil” Gentile,
driving the age old persecution of the innocent Jew. If anyone wants to buy
this book, I would recommend a second hand copy – that way, not one skinny
dime goes into the coffers of Mr Benjamin Ginsberg.
As
for ZIOPEDIA.ORG?
Well
you pays your money and you takes your chance, but I will not be joining
anyone who does (takes a chance) in subscribing. Nor do I subscribe to the
idea that Jews should lead us in the fight against Jews.
We
have our own “stout hearted people” who, if given the chance, can get job
done, thank you very much.
5. henrikryan Says:
March
10, 2008 at 8:18 pm
How
can you be so sure that Andrew Winkler is Jewish? Because of his name? Or is
there anything in his writings that says that he is? I know a few Winklers and none of them is Jewish, in fact Winkler is a very
common name in Austria and Bavaria, as common as Mueller or Meier. If there
are some American Jews going by that name only proves one thing: that one of
their ancestors got married to a Jewess. I don’t remember reading anything
from Winkler saying that he was Jewish.
As
far as the contents of the Ziopedia site is concerned, it doesn’t indicate
any Jewish agenda at all. It contains Zionism related articles from all
angles, pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist alike, including articles from the likes
of ADL’s Foxman. The motive behind that is pretty obvious: to expose how
screwed up Zionist are. Or why else would Winkler also publish an open letter
to Foxman completely taken the piss out of that morron.
That’s
why ZioPedia is frequently listed as one of the top three or four hate sites,
together with Radio Islam, Jew Watch and Rense, and that’s why Jewish
lobbyists have tried to destroy it ever since they published the article on
Elie Wiesel.
Apart
from that, Winkler would be the first Jew I know to negate Israel’s right to
exist, to deny the Holocaust and blame Israel for 9/11.
By
the way, I remember reading an editor’s comment Winkler made on one of the
Makow articles he published. He said something along the lines of suspecting
that he is trying to shift the responsibility from Jews to Freemasonic
bankers. I used to share his reservations, but in the latest Makow article I
read on ZioPedia everything started to come together for me. Maybe Makow is
right after all and Freemasonry is a secular religion the Jews created for
their Gentile tools such as the Bush’s and the British Royal family.
6. jewishawareness Says:
March
10, 2008 at 10:28 pm
“henrikryan
Says”
“How
can you be so sure that Andrew Winkler is Jewish? Because of his name? Or is
there anything in his writings that says that he is” “henrikryan” - Are
you stupid or just pretending to be so?
This
is what I said:
“Now,
I don’t know if Mr Winkler is Jewish, but I do know that prospects are bleak
for Jews in an anti-Semitic movement – and bleak they should be.”
That
was in response to this reply to Richard Lindsay:
“Both
sides of my family are from Central Europe, with a mixed ethnic background.
Before, during and after WW2, they experienced racial discrimination and
ethnic cleansing from both sides of the conflict.”
Even
a blind man with cork eyes can see that, so why can’t you.
I
noticed this little gem in your ridiculous post:
“If
there are some American Jews going by that name only proves one thing: that
one of their ancestors got married to a Jewess.”
I
pissed myself laughing when I read that - So expect a laundry bill from me -
if and when, I find out your location. In the meantime, I suggest you fuck off
back to your ADL controller and await further instruction from Rabbi Abe
Foxman.
Shalom.
7. henrikryan Says:
March
11, 2008 at 12:26 am
How
‘clever’ of you to hide behind your rhetorical I
don’t know if … figure. How naive do you think people are not
to see through your cheap attempts of spreading disunity within the ranks of
the anti-Zionist movement. If anyone acts like an ADL agent then it is you.
8. steel68 Says:
March
11, 2008 at 2:27 am
Henrikan,what
is the center around which the “unity” of the “anti-Zionist movement”
revolves?Don’t confuse growing awareness with a movement.This is precisely
what is lacking.Elements are in place though for an approaching
conflagration.There is nothing clever about Jewishawareness’s points.It’s
not the lions you can see,it’s the ones you can’t that you must be
concerned with.The Master’s of the Lie have born many effluvial
offspring.Exigesis is a rare art.Peeling the layers off of Ginsberg is
child’s play to mining Strauss.Strauss must be confronted as a serious
thinker-NOW!The first part of the 21st Century will be the “engagement with
the problem of Strauss”.
As
an oversimplification:Strauss is the Jewish equivalent of Nietzsche for all
Indo-Europeans!He understood the necessity of “noble lies” concomitant
with the fundamental recognition of evil in the functioning of the
polis.Wolfowitz and Kristol were both students of his and many of the
“little puppies”,as Strauss called his students,have students spread
around in government and “think-tanks”.The Clairmont Review is a Strauss
baby somewhat,with his students’ students dominating the payroll.No!There is
no movement yet!What is lacking?See!On the horizon!’Tis the owl of Minerva!
“the
obvious is going to kill us,
the
obvious is killing us.
our
luck is used up.
as
always,we regroup
and
wait.
we
haven’t forgotten how to
fight
but the long battle has made us
weary.
the
obvious is going to kill us,
we
are engulfed by the
obvious.
we
allowed it.
we
deserve it.
a
hand moves in the
sky.
a freight train passes in the night.
the
fences are broken.
the
heart sits alone.
the
obvious is going to kill us.
we
wait,dreamless”
-Bukowski
9. henrikryan Says:
March
11, 2008 at 6:05 am
Maybe
you should have another look at ‘Jewishawareness’’s statement:
Now,
I don’t know if Mr Winkler is Jewish, but I do know that prospects are bleak
for Jews in an anti-Semitic movement – and bleak they should be.
Noticed
anything? ‘Anti-Semitic Movement’ he says. I don’t know of anyone in the
anti-Zionist movement who would call that movement ‘anti-Semitic’. That
term is a politically motivated, libelous slur that is used by Jews to destroy
their political opponents. By using that term for the anti-Zionist movement
‘Jewishawareness’ has unmasked himself as a Zionist mole.
10.
jewishawareness Says:
March
11, 2008 at 8:53 am
“henrikryan”
Steady
on old son, you might pull a muscle. That line originally said: “Semites in
the anti-Semitic movement” but I changed it to ‘Jew’ in order to use an
emphasis that does not exist in ‘jewphemisims’ like ‘Zionism’ or
‘Zionist’
You
see, I’m not just anti-Zionist, I’m anti EVERYTHING that is Jewish, and
that means EVERY Jew on this planet. And by common definition, that makes me
anti-Semitic - and I am proud to be so!
I
wear my anti-Semitism boldly, like a badge of honour. There is nothing rotten
in the state of anti-Semitism, only goodness.
If
you had a virulent cancer; then you would demand the most rigorous anti-cancer
treatment available - wouldn’t you? Well, there is a cancer. A cancer that
has been eating away at the body and soul of Mankind for millennia, and that
cancer is known to us as the Jew - and the remedy for the Jew, is a massive
dose of good old fashioned “ANTI-SEMITISM.”
I
mentioned in an earlier post how this term, anti-Semitism has been used as a
devastating weapon against us, and how we need to come up with a collective
response. In reality, it is only a simple phrase, yet people flinch and cower
when it is applied to them - but I say we, all of us, should stand up and take
it on the chin. Don’t run for cover, don’t capitulate when it is laid at
your door Instead, plant your feet firmly on the ground and tell the world,
why, you are anti-Semitic, and tell the world, why being anti-Semitic is a
GOOD thing - It is a good thing for you, and it is a good thing for the World
‘henrikryan’
- I can understand when someone has paid out hard earned money, that they like
to feel they’ve made, not just an investment, but also a commitment, and
they don’t like someone like me “pointing out the bleeding obvious” -
That they, or even you, might have paid that money into the very thing that
they, or even you, were hoping to bring down. Listen up - There is nothing on
Ziopedia.org that cannot be had elsewhere - FREE OF CHARGE. You can begin
here:
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=The+power+of+nightmares&sitesearch=
Steel68
Has mentioned Leon Strauss, and in the above 3 part documentary, you will find
some interesting stuff about Strauss and his disciples. The Straussian problem
is now, very deep rooted and complex, and so you should only use this
documentary as a primer to excite further investigation - That’s if you are
really interested in educating yourself. But I can’t be mother to you, so
don’t expect me to wet nurse you through your “infancy” regarding the
Jewish problem. The World is turning to shit my friend, and soon you’ll be
up to your neck in it. Steel68 - You might be interested in another
documentary that was broadcast last Saturday night as part of the BBC White
Season it will be on line for 4 more days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b009g794.shtml?filter=txdate%3A08-03&filter=txslot%3Aevening&start=1&scope=iplayerlast7days&version_pid=b009g781
It’s
about the fall out around a speech made by a British MP called Enoch Powell in
1968.
Enoch
Powell was one of the leading classicists of his generation and was influenced
greatly by Nietzsche. He became professor of Greek aged 25, the youngest
professor in the British Empire, and then entered WW2 as a private, quickly
rising through the ranks to become the youngest Brigadier in the British Army.
His
“Rivers of Blood” speech was a warning about immigration and led to the
ruin of Powell as a political force. A warning to anyone who might be naive to
the ways of a Jewish run media: Both these documentaries are likely to have
been “touched” by Jews. So use them as a “spring-board” for further
investigation.
11. antipharisee Says:
March
11, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Here
is a message to the person who writes/publishes judicial-inc.biz I do not know
his name, or how to contact him but it is a very good site. Did you know that
the Zionist Jews also control and LIE about Cosmology/Space Exploration?
It’s all based on Kabbala Phariseeism. And it is the Foundation of their
World Conquest Agenda. Here: http://earthdeception.googlepages.com/
and Here: http://www.fixedearth.com/kabbala%20I.htm
Kind
Regards,
AntiPharisee
12. steel68 Says:
March
11, 2008 at 2:00 pm
The
Power of Nightmares is an adequate starting point for “beginners”
attempting to wrestle with Strauss.For those who look to peel the layers off
which Strauss has stacked over his real intentions-Exigesis!In his intro to
Maimaonides’ work ‘The Guide of the Perplexed’,Strauss states,”One
begins to understand the ‘Guide’ once one sees that it is not a
philosophic book-a book written by a philosopher for philosophers-but a Jewish
book:a book written by a Jew for Jews.Its first premise is the old Jewish
premise that being a Jew and being a philosopher are two incompatible
things….the ‘Guide’ is then devoted to ‘the difficulties of the Law’
or to ‘the secrets of the Law’.”Elsewhere he states,”The Law whose
secret Maimonides intends to explain forbids that they be explained in
public,or to the public;they may only be explained in private and only to such
individuals as possess both theoretical and political wisdom as well as the
capacity of both understanding and using allusive speech;for only ‘the
chapter headings’of the secret teaching may be transmitted even to those who
belong to the natural elite.”Strauss can test a readers patience.This is by
design.For he is writing to a certain few while remaining obscure to the
rest.I am not familiar with “Rivers of Blood”,but will check it out.
“Strauss
showed his loyalty to things Jewish in a way he was uniquely qualified to
do,by showing generations of students how to treat Jewish texts with the
utmost care and devotion.In this way he turned a number of his Jewish students
in the direction of becoming better Jews”-Dannhauser
13. thomasvthereal Says:
March
11, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Until
this delicious debate has developed, I was planning to make a quick list of
major points made in the article by Mr. Winkler, and how much I agree with
him, and why.
This
have to be changed now however.
I
think there are two basic issues here: Mr. Winkler’s genuineness through his
performance, and his origin.
To
me Ziopedia is a good, useful educational tool, which should be used in
combination with other sources, while the reader engages his critical
faculties. Or as Dr. Hovind would say: ‘Consume the meat, but spit-out
the bone.’ I personally find that I agree 95% of his statements in the
interview, while disagree on a few minor points.
The
second more serious issue, is the suspected origins of Mr. Winkler. Here I
agree with the general concern of ‘Jewishawareness’, which incidentally is
the same as Mr. Grimm’s earlier declaration: None of us would like to see
crypto-or even declared Jews in any of the White movements, in any leadership
position. This however, doesn’t mean we should exclude ex-Jews who are open
about their heritage, but clearly broke away from the tribe’s tradition by
great sacrifice and even danger to themselves.
Since we are still in the embryonic stage of organizing blogs which are
basically voluntary workplaces for mutual intellectual effort, this leadership
criteria remains a mute point.
Yet
for credibility’s sake I agree with ‘Jewishawareness’, that Mr. Winkler
should and must come clear of his origin, and declare it without any further
ambiguity.
On
the other hand, I think ‘Jewishawareness’ is in the danger to overdevelop
his position to the point of genuine and unrestrained hatred against everyone
who is a Jew, regardless even if he’d support us.
I’d like to believe, that we are capable to discern, that we fight an
ideology, and those who carry those ideologies, but not the Human himself who
otherwise no longer the carrier of those ideologies, but rather he proved
by sacrifice that he is with us. And please do not forget the numerically much
larger group of aiders and enablers who are identical to us, yet traitors to
our cause!
To
spice-up things just one degree more, I object ‘Jewishawarenes’s
continuous intimidating, belittling and disparaging tone of voice toward
those, who he disagrees with.
I
realize and welcome his formidable intellectual faculties and his large and
generally correct contribution to this blog, but his personal pride and
immodesty habitually comes in the way for him, to be really effective.
I as his old friend, wish him to overcome those particular shortcomings of
his. (Probably the same way, as he kindly wishes me to overcome my own
shortcomings).
14. jewishawareness Says:
March
11, 2008 at 4:20 pm
thomasvthereal
Says:
“It’s
good to see for example ‘jewishawareness’s puissant reply’ to
‘impartialview’s feeble minded exclamation about the “holy and beautiful
Talmud”. February 25, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Then
this: “I object ‘Jewishawarenes’s continuous intimidating, belittling
and disparaging tone of voice toward those, who he disagrees with…his
personal pride and immodesty habitually comes in the way for him, to be really
effective.” March 11, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Make
your mind up Thomas - or is your indecision final?
I’ve
noticed you’re using culinary metaphors tonight, so here’s one for you:
Don’t try to teach your granny how to suck eggs and keep your own, offensive
opinions, to yourself.
Thomas,
as for your pretence of friendship - don’t bother. “With friends like you,
who needs enemies?”
15. thomasvthereal Says:
March
11, 2008 at 5:46 pm
I
can assure you, I don’t need any enemies.
Maybe
I should have used the less offending word ‘acquaintance’. Is it a deal
‘Jewishawareness’, or should I pretend from now on, that we’ve never
been in any correspondence with each other? It won’t be easy, because you
publicly and in length reminded me for that recently, but still possible, if
you too make up your mind and declare it unequivocally.
In
addition, such declaration is immaterial for me to speak-out, every time I
feel the need for it, but I promise I’ll be civil with you at all time.
Furthermore,
I wish to remind you, to limit our semi-private correspondence, and the
excessive display of bruised egos (if any) since it most likely bore the rest
of the readers on this blog.
16. henrikryan Says:
March
11, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Yet
for credibility’s sake I agree with ‘Jewishawareness’, that Mr. Winkler
should and must come clear of his origin, and declare it without any further
ambiguity.
I
have been a reader of ZioPedia.org and its ‘Newsflashes’ from the day the
site started and I haven’t seen anything where Winkler says he was Jewish.
All he did is avoid answering that question with a straight yes or no. I
suspect that he did that for a number of reasons:
a)
as way of saying that he doesn’t hate Jews as such, only their evil actions,
and b) in the hope that it will prevent his Jewish enemies to harm him or his
family.
17. henrikryan Says:
March
12, 2008 at 1:17 am
c)
he’s simply trying to confuse his enemies
18. jewishawareness Says:
March
12, 2008 at 6:18 am
henrikryan,
Me
thinks you doth protest too much. You’re painting yourself into a corner,
but don’t fret, because It’s a good thing, and the truth will soon reveal
itself. To your expanding list of reasons you have added this codicil: c)
“he’s simply trying to confuse his enemies”
Very
good, you’re almost there. Now develop that thought, and logic, will
eventually lead you to the only possible conclusion, about Mr Winkler. And
that is…..
19. thomasvthereal Says:
March
12, 2008 at 5:20 pm
There
is certain keen logic working in Jewishawarenes’s favour, which is quite
convincing. There is no other logical reason for Mr. Winkler to be so
ambiguous, except one; if he has something to hide.
Earlier
quote:““Both sides of my family are from Central Europe, with a mixed
ethnic background. Before, during and after WW2, they experienced racial
discrimination and ethnic cleansing from both sides of the conflict…”
The
strange mixture of once precise, once opaque qualities, how he describe
himself, give me a suspicious hunch. It’s highly unusual for somebody, who
is native to Central Europe to describe himself to be of ‘mixed ethnic
background’, if they are native to the land. If they are children of a
multinational couple for example Polish-Hungarian, the custom is to openly
declare the two nations if it comes to it, and carry the family name of the
father of course, yet identify with the nation fully where the person lives. I
recall among my old classmates, there were immediately recognizable
non-typical names like Engelhardt, Hajtman (Germanic) or Kasztanovics
(Serb-Croatian origin). I even have a 2nd generation Greek boy in my class.
None of them would describe themselves as ‘mixed ethnic’. I’m only aware
in my experience of two type of people who would try to hide their origin or
complain about historical racial discrimination: The Jews and the Gypsys.
In
any case, some people who are more expert in textual analysis, with some
psychological background, could talk more about these things.
20. jewishawareness Says:
March
12, 2008 at 6:58 pm
“I’m
only aware in my experience of two type of people who would try to hide their
origin or complain about historical racial discrimination: The Jews and the
Gypsys.”
Yes
Thomas.
I
think Sir Arthur Conan Doyle summed it up best when he said
“Once
you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must
be the truth.”
let
us examine further what is probable. Thomas, I’d like you to search this
site:
http://www.avotaynu.com/csi/csi-result.html?page=next
Here
you will gain access to the “Consolidated Jewish Surname Index” (CJSI) and
after discovering the high incidence of Winklers in the European Jewish
community, will take this knowledge and add it to Mr. Winkler’s own
submission regarding his family history then marry it all up with your own
empirical experience, and finally answer me this:
On
the balance of probability, do you think Mr. Winkler is a Gypsy?
22. thomasvthereal Says:
March
12, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Oh
no ‘Jewisawareness’ I’m hugely disinclined to go through large databases
like that, lacking the meticulousness and interest to conduct anything that
boring.
Beside names are one of the most tiresome method to identify Jews, because
they are changed by the drop of their hats. As a general rule Gypsies don’t
take on Germanic sounding names, Jews did with a gusto, specially when the
Austro-Hungarian Empire existed, so they could blended in pretending to belong
to the politically most influential ethnicity, which was Germanic-Austrian at
the time.
Thus
you may find among the Jewish emigrants either coming from internally like
from Galicia, (a province the Hapsburgs gained from Russia after 1775) or
coming from abroad such as directly from the Pale of Settlements under Czarist
rule, taking up names some of them quite familiar ‘Jewish sounding’ ones:
Gold-, Silver-, Rubin-, Bern-stein but many others.
Many
of these name-holders reverted to Hungarian sounding names when the Empire
disintegrated, if they ended-up living in Hungary. Historical examples: Jewish
leader of the ‘Hungarian Soviet Republic’ (one of the Soviet Republics
which was established right after the First WW due to Bolshevik rebellions
spreading continent-wide) is Béla Kún originally Kohn) or one of his most
bloodthirsty henchman who ‘distinguished’ himself by conducting
mass-executions and outright massacres, named Tibor Szamuely orgn. Samuel
The
leading communist personalities in Hungary after WW 2 M.Rákosi (Rosenfeld) E.
Gerö(Singer)J. Révai(Lederer) M. Farkas(Wolf?) were all Jews, with hastily
magyarized names.
The
problem is that most of these people, had further changed their names as soon
as they continued their ‘wandering’.
There
is the colourful figure for example of a communist agitator of the same era,
born Schwartz, ‘magyarized’ József Pogány (means Pagan) and then again
changed after his arrival in the US to ‘John Pepper’. And the examples are
literally endless, and they don’t have to be Communists either. Co-founder
of Intel Corp. born András Gróf (already a magyarized name), becomes
‘Andrew Grove’ upon his landing on US soil. I hope I could somehow
indicate that these are only samples of a much larger phenomenon. The
namechanges just during one century from just one geographical location could
fill-up books, the size of the Talmud, which would take a literary coolie,
with dogged determination to search through.
After
such lengthy detour, my answer is, that by his name alone I wouldn’t
necessarily suspect Mr. Winkler to be Jew, -but then again it’s a very
unreliable indicator, mainly because it turns-out too many false negatives
(yes you heard it right) beside confusingly (if it’s a common name), many
false positives too- still the probability that he would be a Gypsy with that
name, is negligibly minuscule.
23. steel68 Says:
March
13, 2008 at 12:36 am
Commenting
on Zionist Watch,though far from being amorphous,is for the most part a
marginal arena to go fishing and an excellent place to “hide”.There are
those who read PG’s stuff who never or almost never post or read posted
comments for their various reasons.Then there are those who diligently comb ZW
hoping in their own way to add his/her angle or to feel in company with
comrades.There are maybe even some who feel ZW has yet to some into its
own.It’s just a blog-RIGHT!Something the talented Patrick does on the side.I
mean,there’s the kids and wife,the bills,the deadlines,etc.Studying the
“Jewish problem” is only suppose to be something we do when we have some
spare time.Hand an article here or have a little discussion there.It’s not
an issue of life or death is it?That’s just what it is my friends in
blood.We must become berserker rage incarnate.Also,I have asked AW to address
the issues above.
24. henrikryan Says:
March
13, 2008 at 12:47 am
Winkler’s
description would also fit someone with mixed Czech and Sudetendeutschen
background. It would explain his claim of discrimination before and after the
war. Before the war, when Nazi Germany annexed Czechoslovakia because his
family wasn’t of pure Arian race, and after because they weren’t pure
Czech.
25. thomasvthereal Says:
March
13, 2008 at 4:03 am
Henriknyan,
it wouldn’t fit to such degree, that it would warrant such an obscure,
opaque and awkward explanation. German nation vociferously fought for its
various volksdeutch brothers who found themselves beyond the border of
post WW Germany in hostile political environment. Certain degree of mixing was
known and acceptable in the Hapbsburg Empire, (a direct ancestors of these new
entities who ‘popped-up’ after the 1st WW), because it was a veritable
melting pot of nations and secondly because it carried no stigma to it. They
were generally welcomed in the nations’ body everywhere in the Hapsburg
Empire. (Although not so later in these small miserable nationalistic
statelets, but that’s mainly beside the point). I know of no example,
that a Sudetendeutschen was less than forthcoming about his heritage,
even if he would have some Czech blood in his vein. It’s simply a
none-issue.
I
need to repeat it once more, that there are two type of people who have
region-wide and enduring stigma attached, they were and are the Jews and the
Gypsies. (I save the lengthy explanation of why these two are, in order to
shorten the length of my comment). Now theoretically possible that Mr. Winkler
is uncharacteristically shy and awkward about his personal heritage, but how
so and why if he is otherwise so intelligent and wordy?
In
the final analysis, and in my personal opinion, it would be much better, if he
would come ‘clean’ so to speak, because his work is otherwise quite worthy
and sought-out and most of us would welcome an author of his caliber, even if
he is Jewish origin. A person who tries to hide that racial heritage however,
and continue the timeless tribal tradition to just ‘blend-in’ is an
entirely different issue altogether.
26. zionistwatch Says:
March
13, 2008 at 4:31 am
To
all concerned,
Yeah,
I think it’s been repeated and debated and repeated and debated ad nauseam
until it now serves no purpose at all. This is precisely why this
“movement”, if one would generously label it such, goes nowhere. With all
the back-and-forth self-congratulatory so-called intellectual muscle-flexing
and snide remarks and attacks, what has been achieved in the end? I suppose if
those involved are more concerned about being right or moralistic or the
cock-of-the-walk know-it-all in the room, rather than spreading the truth
about Zionism and Jewish supremacism across the web, then THAT lowly objective
has been met in full.
We
will never win against the Jewish supremacists until we are more content with
DOING RIGHT (spreading the word) than always having to angle for a way to
PROVE OURSELVES RIGHT (self-congratulation exercises) in petty squabbles with
people we already agree with on 99.9% of the basic issues anyway. That is what
I see going on here.
Patrick
Grimm
27. thomasvthereal Says:
March
13, 2008 at 5:06 am
Patrick
you are right and you have a few good points of course, specially the
meaningless clash of personalities in which I’m just as in fault as my
counterpart. Still I must insist, that the statement in my last paragraph is
important, I stand by it and on that point, I agree with ‘Jewishawarenes’s
concern.
As
to the rest of the criticism, I don’t quite see your point. What else you
wish in your comment-section that intelligent comments and occasional lively
debates? We cannot dig a trench or fix-up a rifle on this blog to please you.
To me this blog will most likely filter out intellectuals or intellectually
inclined people.
They aren’t exactly famous for practicality.
Sometimes I jokingly recall our Jewish revolutionary intellectual counterpart,
who filled coffeehouses all around in Europe from Paris to Vienna and St.
Petersburg, and later clandestine meeting places early in the last century
while they endlessly debated about the fervently yearned but wickedly elusive
‘revolutionary conditions’ which would only need a spark to initiate the
Messianic revolution itself. The masses which were supposed to fight the
various proletarian revolutions and carry the revolutionary vanguard to power
on its back, were wretchedly passive, docile, conformist and generally too
much under the influence of the monarchist and clerical forces and so on and
so forth. Do you see the parallel ‘junior comrade’ Grimm, or I need to
spell it out? Have patience Professor, have patience.
28. zionistwatch Says:
March
13, 2008 at 5:24 am
Thomasvthereal,
You
have carved something complicated and convoluted out of what was a very
elementary point I was attempting to make. I am simply calling for less
in-fighting and insults against those already on YOUR SIDE and more discussion
of intellectual points, ideas, strategies and whatnot. I desire “intelligent
comments and occasional lively debates”. Yet why must they be couched in
insults and a tone of “talking down” to those who might not agree
entirely? The answer is that they need not be, unless of course ego is more
important than saving our race, culture and heritage. Keep up the liveliness
and leave out the childish insults and harangues. That was the whole point.
Also,
the paranoia of constantly questioning whether he/she/they is/are an agent/s/,
a crypto, a Jew infiltrator etc. has grown tiresome. I am not saying that
there is never a place for this concern or question, but tossing those sorts
of accusations back and forth on the board does seem childish and
counterproductive in most instances.
Cordially,
Patrick Grimm
29. jewishawareness Says:
March
13, 2008 at 6:44 am
Patrick,
as there are only 4 posters involved in this so called “debate” and given
that it was me who unfortunately raised this issue (Though, I believe you have
done so yourself in the past) I think it’s a fair assumption that the
proportion of your anger being sent in my direction is greater than the 25%
that statistics alone would deem to be fair.
Yes,
It is being laboured “ad nauseam.”
But
there is someonesome who might draw benefit from it.
For
instance - Winkler’s friend “henrikryan” who actually started this so
called debate by attacking my original comment and who accused me here of..
“Noticed
anything? ‘Anti-Semitic Movement’ he says. I don’t know of anyone in the
anti-Zionist movement who would call that movement ‘anti-Semitic’. That
term is a politically motivated, libelous slur that is used by Jews to destroy
their political opponents. By using that term for the anti-Zionist movement
‘Jewishawareness’ has unmasked himself as a Zionist mole.”
“henrikryan”
will draw benefit if he goes back to Winkler’s site and clicks on the tab
marked “Goyim Certified”
There
he’ll find the object of his affection (Winkler) entirely in accord with my
own views on anti-Semitism.
“Questioned
whether he wasn’t afraid of being accused of anti-Semitism, he (Winkler)
replied, “Not really. In today’s use of the term, all it means is being
critical of Israel and her lobby, so it’s a good thing.”
This
is what I have said.
Patrick,
as you’re obviously in the mood for telling people off, perhaps the next
time you chat to Adrian Winkler you’ll tell him to stop using the term
“Goyum”
His
own site says:
“The
Hebrew word ‘Goyim’ is a derogative term used by Talmudic Jews to describe
non-Jews. Talmud, the holiest book of Judaism, only considers Jews to be
human, while non-Jews are regarded as the equivalent of cattle that can be
killed and abused unpunished.”
I
think his “Goyim Certification” is an offensive stunt and I reject it.
If
you will allow me, I’d like to paraphrase “henrikryan”
“…I
don’t know of anyone in the anti-Zionist movement who would call a non-Jew,
‘Goyim’. That term is a religiously motivated, libelous slur that is used
by Jews to demean their Gentile opponents. By using that term for the non-Jew
‘Adrian Winkler’ has unmasked himself as a Zionist mole.”
Patrick,
I do admire you and I’m sorry for your upset.
But
what did you really expect? When you took the decision to give Adrian Winkler
a platform to share his financial problems with all those he calls “Goyim”
Would
you like to hear mine?
I
don’t think Jews should be leading the fight against Jews.
30. thomasvthereal Says:
March
13, 2008 at 10:32 am
Patrick,
me too is respectfully disagree with certain points you make: For example, you
complain about paranoia. That is an interesting word, colourised already with
pejorative meaning.
Although
paralyzingly excessive awareness and suspicion should be avoided, where do you
propose to draw the line?
We
have a situation in Western societies where less than 3% of the population is
exploiting, manipulating the majority. They’ve basically taken over and
ruling over the rest of the 97%. How did we got here Mr. Grimm? We talking
about a tribe which is the carrier of eminently hostile ideology, which it
carries by awesomely deceptive, and cunning way. It is a tribe which in its
Holy Books lionize infiltration, spying, deception as a necessary preliminary
stage for the eradication of their enemies, (or rather anyone who they
consider as their enemies).
I
argue, that some measure of alertness is useful and meritorious to us. In
other word, dismissing attempts to scrutinize suspicious behavior, which are
already riddled with telltale signs, as paranoia, and characterize it
something of an ‘endless childish exercise’ itself sound childishly naive
to me.
31. steel68 Says:
March
13, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Your
all a bunch of dumbies and my dad can beat your dad up and I bet I can run
faster than you guys!And for those interested,here is Andrew’s reply to some
of the above:
“I’ve
been deliberately vague in response to inquiries from people whom I do not
know personally whether I was Jewish,the reason being that I wanted to keep my
Jewish enemies and their goyim shills guessing about my identity and
background.It’s a smokescreen created to protect my family.I would have
thought that my two sites-Ziopedia and Jews Anonymous-speak for themselves.I
don’t just fight against Jewish supremicism and Zionist crimes,but against
Judaism and Jewishness.I suggest you read my essay,’The Jewish Problem’,or
any of my other articles in the most popular section of Ziopedia.They make it
abundantly clear that even if I had a Jewish heritage,that I would completely
reject it.Anyhow,if my readers want to judge me on my suspected ethnic
background,so be it.Personally,I don’t think much of judging others by their
race rather than their actions”-Andrew Winkler Editor/Publisher
“Just
because your paranoid doesn’t mean your not being followed”-Unknown
32. henrikryan Says:
March
14, 2008 at 12:45 am
And what do you make that mean, Steel68?
33. jewishawareness Says:
March
14, 2008 at 9:03 am
henrikryan:
Try this:
Andrew
Winkler:- “Jews have argued for centuries what actually makes a Jew a Jew.
Some say it’s race.
Others
say it’s religion. My point is that it can’t be neither.”
I
can’t be neither!
“…To
twist a phrase out of its meaning, to use all the tricks of the clever
advocate, to play upon words, and to condemn what they did not know … such
were the characteristics of the Polish Jew… Honesty and right-thinking he
lost as completely as simplicity and truthfulness. He made himself master of
all the gymnastics of the Schools and applied them to obtain advantage over
any one less cunning than himself. He took a delight in cheating and
overreaching, which gave him a sort of joy of victory. But his own people he
could not treat in this way: they were as knowing as he. It was the non-Jew,
who, to his loss, felt the consequences of the Talmudically trained mind of
the Polish Jew.”
Heinrich
Graetz (Jewish) - The History of The Jews.
http://mailstar.net/sombart-jews-capitalism.pd
Patrick
Grimm:- “In several of your articles you have asserted that “Jewishness is
in fact a state of mind.” For those just discovering your website and work,
would you mind fleshing out the idea of “Jewishness” as a mental state,
rather than a religion, “race” or nationality?”
Andrew
Winkler:- “Jews have argued for centuries what actually makes a Jew a Jew.
Some say it’s race.
Others
say it’s religion. My point is that it can’t be neither.”
“It
can’t be race because modern Jewry is made up of 3 ethnically distinct
groups: Ashkenazis, Sephardi and Oriental Jews. The biggest group, the
European Jews or Ashkenazis, are the descendants of ethnic Turk Khazars from
Mongolia, who came to Europe as part of Attila’s hordes, and their Germanic
rape victims. Their only genetic link to Palestine is a few thousand rabbis
the Khazars imported from Byzanth when they replaced their traditional phallus
cult with Judaism. There were also some Jewish refugees who got kicked out of
Byzanth for collaborating with the Arab enemy. Anyhow, modern days Jews are
genetically too different from each other for race to be the determining
factor for Jewishness.”
“It
can’t be religion either because there are too many so-called ‘secular
Jews’. It makes no sense to claim that Jewishness was determined by religion
when more than half of Jews are not religious at all.”
“My
answer to the question what it is that makes a Jew a Jew is that it is a state
of mind. You become a Jew by embracing Jewishness and all the baggage that
comes with it.”
Andrew
Winkler.
End.
henrikryan:
- There is the answer you seek. It seems Andrew Winkler isn’t, Jewish, only
because, in his current “state of mind” - he doesn’t think he is Jewish!
I
hope for those real, non-Jews, who are pumping money into him, that he
doesn’t have a change of mind.
Because,
the phrase: “Cogito ergo sum” could have some terrible consequences.
Jews
should not be leading the fight against Jews.
34. henrikryan Says:
March
15, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Jewishawareness,
you are wrong:
1.
Winkler isn’t Jewish and never was. All your verbal diarrhea is not going to
change that.
2.
All you are doing is weakening the anti-Zionist movement by seeding mistrust
within its ranks.
3.
The way you are acting, the only rat in the room is you.
35. jewishawareness Says:
March
16, 2008 at 4:54 am
Anti-Zionist
movement?
Henrikryan
- You’re having a laugh aren’t you?
What’s
your membership Number?
Next
time you are having a Branch meeting, give me a call and I’ll come around to
check your credentials.
And
your sanity.
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