A teenager is facing prosecution for using the word "cult" to describe the Church of Scientology. The unnamed 15-year-old was served the summons by City of London police when he took part in a peaceful demonstration opposite the London headquarters of the controversial religion.
Officers confiscated a placard with the word "cult" on it from the youth, who is under 18, and a case file has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service. A date has not yet been set for him to appear in court.
The decision to issue the summons has angered human rights activists and support groups for the victims of cults.
The incident happened during a protest against the Church of Scientology on May 10. Demonstrators from the anti-Scientology group, Anonymous, who were outside the church's £23m headquarters near St Paul's cathedral, were banned by police from describing Scientology as a cult by police because it was "abusive and insulting".
Writing on an anti-Scientology website, the teenager facing court said: "I brought a sign to the May 10th protest that said: 'Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous cult.'
"'Within five minutes of arriving I was told by a member of the police that I was not allowed to use that word, and that the final decision would be made by the inspector."
A policewoman later read him section five of the Public Order Act and "strongly advised" him to remove the sign. The section prohibits signs which have representations or words which are threatening, abusive or insulting.
The teenager refused to back down, quoting a 1984 high court ruling from Mr Justice Latey, in which he described the Church of Scientology as a "cult" which was "corrupt, sinister and dangerous".
After the exchange, a policewoman handed him a court summons and removed his sign.
On the website he asks for advice on how to fight the charge: "What's the likelihood I'll need a lawyer? If I do have to get one, it'll have to come out of my pocket money."
Writing on the same website, another anonymous demonstrator said: "We also protested outside another Scientology building in Tottenham Court Road which is policed by a separate force, the Metropolitan police, who have never tried to stop us using the word cult.
"We're completely peaceful protesters expressing a perfectly valid opinion. This whole thing stinks."
Liberty director, Shami Chakrabarti, said: "This barmy prosecution makes a mockery of Britain's free speech traditions. After criminalising the use of the word 'cult', perhaps the next step is to ban the words 'war' and 'tax' from peaceful demonstrations?"
Ian Haworth, from the Cult Information Centre which provides advice for victims of cults and their families, said: "This is an extraordinary situation. If it wasn't so serious it would be farcical. The police's job is to protect and serve. Who is being served and who is being protected in this situation? I find it very worrying.
"Scientology is well known to my organisation, and has been of great concern to me for 22 years. I get many calls from families with loved ones involved and ex-members who are in need of one form of help."
The City of London police came under fire two years ago when it emerged that more than 20 officers, ranging from constable to chief superintendent, had accepted gifts worth thousands of pounds from the Church of Scientology.
The City of London Chief Superintendent, Kevin Hurley, praised Scientology for "raising the spiritual wealth of society" during the opening of its headquarters in 2006.
Last year a video praising Scientology emerged featuring Ken Stewart, another of the City of London's chief superintendents, although he is not a member of the group.
The group was founded by the science-fiction writer L Ron Hubbard in 1952 and espouses the idea that humans are descended from an exiled race of aliens called Thetans.
The church continues to attract controversy over claims that it separates members from their families and indoctrinates followers. A spokeswoman for the force said today: "City of London police had received complaints about demonstrators using the words 'cult' and 'Scientology kills' during protests against the Church of Scientology.
"Following advice from the Crown Prosecution Service some demonstrators were warned verbally and in writing that their signs breached section five of the Public Order Act.
"One demonstrator continued to display a placard despite police warnings and was reported for an offence under section five. A file on the case will go to the CPS."
A CPS spokesman said no specific advice was given to police regarding the boy's placard.
"In April, prior to this demonstration, as part of our normal working relationship we gave the City of London police general advice on the law around demonstrations and religiously aggravated crime in particular. We did not advise on this specific case prior to the summons being issued – which the police can do without reference to us – but if we receive a file we will review it in the normal way according to the code for crown prosecutors."
Fredrick Töben comments: A recent international conference in Berlin had a bizzare theme: “Scientists analyze Holocaust denial. The paradox of the Neo-Nazis.” It is postulated that so-called deniers are motivated by wishing to celebrate the Holocaust but also by denying it. The article states that many “right-wing extremists use such absurd logic”. Looks as if the Holocaust believers have reached crisis point!
Wissenschaftler analysieren Holocaust-Leugner. Das Paradox der Neonazis
Den Holocaust verherrlichen, ihn aber leugnen, damit man ihn wieder begehen kann: Eine internationale Konferenz befaßte sich mit der absurden Logik vieler Rechtsextremisten. VON LANA STILLE
Der SS-Offizier Karl Höcker macht mit Kameraden und SS-Helferinnen Pause von der Vernichtungsarbeit in Auschwitz. Foto: dpa. [The caption states that an officer and his crew celebrate before continuing their extermination work.]
Der frühere NPD-Anwalt Horst Mahler sitzt wieder im Gefängnis. Vor zwei Wochen wurde der Rechtsextremist wegen Volksverhetzung verurteilt. "Den Holocaust gab es nicht", hatte er in einem Interview gesagt - und mit dieser Ansicht ist er nicht alleine.
Wissenschaftler aus Europa, Israel und Nordamerika thematisieren deshalb auf einer Tagung die revisionistische Propaganda der "Holocaust-Lüge". Auf der Konferenz unter der Schirmherrschaft von Bundesaußenminister Frank-Walter Steinmeier (SPD) geht es um die Massentötungen durch Giftgas in den Vernichtungslagern der Nazis - und um diejenigen, die diese Taten leugnen.
"Durch Justiz und Bundesinnenministerium sind die Aktivitäten der Holocaust-Leugner in den letzten Jahren eingedämmt worden - aber natürlich gibt es sie noch", sagt Hajo Funke von der FU Berlin. Der Experte für Rechtsextremismus und Antisemitismus wird auf der Konferenz in Berlin und im brandenburgischen Oranienburg über die Taktik der Revisionisten reden. "Einige leugnen etwa den Holocaust an sich, andere streiten dagegen explizit den Massenmord in Gaskammern ab." Sie fragen beispielsweise: Konnte man in Auschwitz wirklich Cyanidverbindungen nachweisen? Mit dieser pedantischen Detailforschung wollten die Holocaust-Leugner vom Wesentlichen ablenken.
Dafür, daß viele Rechtextreme das Offensichtliche leugnen, sieht Hajo Funke zwei Gründe. "Die Neonazis glauben, wenn das Flaggschiff ,Auschwitz' versenkt ist, könnten sie freier ein viertes Reich propagieren", so der Experte. Die Holocaust-Leugnung öffne so die Tür für eine Rehabilitation des Nationalsozialismus. Der zweite Grund sei ein exzessiver, paranoider Antisemitismus. In der perfiden Sichtweise der Holocaust-Leugner sind es die Juden, die das größte Verbrechen begingen - indem sie den Holocaust erfanden.
Neonazis, die den Massenmord im nationalsozialistischen Deutschland abstreiten, befinden sich in einem Paradoxon: Einerseits bekennen sie sich zu einer Ideologie, deren Ziel die Judenvernichtung war - andererseits streiten sie aber ebendiese Judenvernichtung ab. Dieser Widerspruch erklärt sich für Funke dadurch, daß es in der Regel zwei verschiedene Motive sind, von denen Holocaust-Leugner angetrieben werden. "Ganz typisch ist eine Mischung aus Taktik und echter Überzeugung", sagt er. Auf der taktischen Seite müsse propagiert werden, daß der Nationalsozialismus etwas Positives gewesen sei - seine Verbrechen also abgestritten werden. Auf der anderen Seite gäbe es die tatsächliche Überzeugung, daß der von den Nazis begangene Massenmord etwas Gutes gewesen ist. Den Holocaust eigentlich verherrlichen, ihn aber leugnen, damit man ihn wieder begehen kann - das sei die absurde Logik vieler Rechtsextremisten.
"Je stärker sich jemand dem Nationalsozialismus verschreibt, um so wahrscheinlicher wird er auch den Geschichtsrevisionismus betreiben", sagt Ulli Jentsch vom Antifaschistischen Pressearchiv Berlin. Das Leugnen des Holocaust sei deshalb eine Art Lackmustest für die rechten Szene, nach dem Motto: "Wer so richtig rechts ist, leugnet den Holocaust". Eine Schmerzgrenze sei er allerdings auch. Für politisch Rechtsgesinnte, die sich noch im demokratischen Spektrum befinden, sei es ein Tabu, den nationalsozialistischen Massenmord zu verneinen. Das wüßten rechtsextreme Politiker, sagt Jentsch: "Wenn Bürger am NPD-Parteistand Gespräche über die nationalsozialistische Geschichte beginnen wollen, dann wissen die Funktionäre, daß sie schnell das Thema wechseln sollten. Denn damit können sie politisch nur verlieren."
From the USA: A lighter moment in the battle for truth!
Dear Friends and Relatives:
We have the distinguished honor of being on the committee to raise $5,000,000.00 for a monument of Hillary Clinton's heroic stand under Bosnian sniper fire.
We originally wanted to put her on Mt. Rushmore until we discovered there was not enough room for two more faces.
We then decided to erect a statue of Hillary Clinton in the Washington, DC Hall Of Fame.
We are having a bit of difficulty as to where the statue should be placed. It was not proper to place it beside the statue of George Washington, who never told a lie, or beside Jesse Jackson & Barak Obama, who never told the truth, since Hillary Clinton could never tell the difference.
We finally decided to place it beside Christopher Columbus, the greatest Democrat of them all.
He left not knowing where he was going, and when he got there he did not know where he was.
He returned not knowing where he had been, and did it all on someone else's money.
As to McCain the least said about him the better, for after all he is a chip of the old block called Nutty Bush.
If you are one of the fortunate people who have anything left after taxes, we expect a generous contribution to this worthwhile project.
Hillary Clinton Monument Committee
P.S. The Committee has raised $1.35 so far.
P.P.S And another thing... Now let me get this straight. Bill Clinton is getting $12 Million for his memoirs. His wife Hillary got $8 million for hers. That's $20 million for memories from two people, who for eight years repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't remember anything.
God Bless America!
CORNERING COINTELPRO - Tim White and Stephen Webster
By Captain Eric H. May - firstname.lastname@example.org
Political-Military Editor, The Lone Star Iconoclast
There is an infowar against the most effective figures in the 9/11 truth movement, often by the most unscrupulous and dangerous government-sanctioned characters. A pair of Army military intelligence veterans have cooperated to sniff out an attempt by a Cointelpro (counter-intelligence program) operator to target unsuspecting journalist Stephen Webster, and to use him as a "useful idiot" for passing along disinformation.
In a friendly message to Captain Eric H. May, SFC Donald Buswell, "The 9/11 NCO," sounded the alert that a shady character named Tim White was contacting journalists with smear tactics. SFC Buswell was recently featured in a blockbuster article by Webster in The Lone Star Iconoclast:
Free at Last! Army Intelligence Analyst Buswell, "the 9/11 NCO" Speaks Out
SFC Buswell became Captain May co-author in the recent "Mayday Alert" articles that became the most successful 9/11 truth movement warning ever about the dangers of Bush administration "anti-terror drills. They were joined by two other co-authors: Dr. Jim Fetzer, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth; and Major William B. Fox, publisher of America First Books. Both Dr. Fetzer and Major Fox are veteran Marine Corps officers.
The four veterans' Mayday Alert was posted at several major independent newspapers, as well as thousands of 9/11 truth movement sites, political campaign sites and intelligence sites: http://www.lonestaricon.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=2758&z=163
Before the beginning of the early May "National Level Exercise 2-08" (NLE 2-08) the mainstream Seattle Times published the Mayday Alert's argument, which was that any Bush administration anti-terror drill might "go live" by creating the very events it was supposed to be rehearsing against. Strong evidence suggests that this is what happened in the US 9/11 and UK 7/7 terror attacks.
The 9/11 NCO
This is pretty slick propaganda against you, this fellow seems obsessed with you, the detail and efforts that went into this to discredit you is very obvious. I am not sure why Stephen Webster didn't fwd it to you go to top... As such, and in the tradition of being open and honest I fwd it to you-I assume you already have it.
Best Regards, SFC Buswell
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Stephen Webster email@example.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tim White firstname.lastname@example.org
FINALLY..someone has put a good deal of the facts together about Captain Eric May in one very easy to understand format:
Ghosts in the Machine:
Tim White,Viet Nam Vet (USAF)
Concerned Citizen, Researcher, Investigator, Whistleblower
Dear SFC Buswell,
Thank you very much for sending this bit of disinformation to me. I'm quite familiar with Tim White -- as many in the 9/11 truth movement are, unfortunately. It's interesting to note that the article he sent along attacking me is being run at a right-wing pro-war site.
White is an FBI Cointelpro operative working under the direction of Denver FBI Special Agent Mark Hostlaw and retired Special Agent Ted Gunderson. His function is to infiltrate, intimidate, disinform and incriminate important members of the 9/11 truth movement. I admitted White into my cyber intelligence group, Ghost Troop in 2004, but later kicked him out when members of the group identified him. He presents the persona of a disturbed but committed activist. As we found from his very first post -- the first one ever at our user group -- he was a hostile infiltrator:
White is quite capable of felonious conduct. He recently suggested -- under the guise of an alias -- that we "neutralize" a critic. I passed the note along to police contacts in Houston, and haven't heard from him since:
I believe that White is mentally unstable and dangerous -- as the links demonstrate. Hopefully, Mr. Webster and others would help distribute a correct picture of Tim White, perhaps even write an article about him. It would serve White right for imagining that he could use Mr. Webster as a useful idiot.
Best regards, Captain May
PS: I will be doing a radio show with Dr. Jim Fetzer, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, at 4 p.m. Central today. We may well discuss Tim White and Stephen Webster a bit, although our primary focus will be the overall strategic situation, especially Iran war prospects and US false flag prospects. I'll be interviewing with 9/11 truth movement Congressional candidate Dr. Kevin Barrett on Saturday. Here's the link to my interview schedule:
Orthodox Jewish youths burn New Testaments in Or Yehuda
The Associated Press, 20 May 2008
Orthodox Jews set fire to hundreds of copies of the New Testament in the latest act of violence against Christian missionaries in the Holy Land.
Or Yehuda Deputy Mayor Uzi Aharon said missionaries recently entered a neighborhood in the predominantly religious town of 34,000 in central Israel, distributing hundreds of New Testaments and missionary material.
After receiving complaints, Aharon said, he got into a loudspeaker car last Thursday and drove through the neighborhood, urging people to turn over the material to Jewish religious students who went door to door to collect it.
"The books were dumped into a pile and set afire in a lot near a synagogue," he said.
The newspaper Maariv reported Tuesday that hundreds of yeshiva students took part in the book-burning. But Aharon told The Associated Press that only a few students were present, and that he was not there when the books were torched.
"Not all of the New Testaments that were collected were burned, but hundreds were," he said.
He said he regretted the burning of the books, but called it a commandment to burn materials that urge Jews to convert.
"I certainly don't denounce the burning of the booklets, he said. I denounce those who distributed the booklets."
Jews worship from the Old Testament, including the Five Books of Moses and the writings of the ancient prophets. Christians revere the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, which contains the ministry of Jesus.
Calev Myers, an attorney who represents Messianic Jews, or Jews who accept Jesus as their savior, demanded in an interview with Army Radio that all those involved be put on trial. He estimated there were 10,000 Messianic Jews, who are also known as Jews for Jesus, in Israel.
Police had no immediate comment.
Israeli authorities and Orthodox Jews frown on missionary activity aimed at Jews, though in most cases it is not illegal. Still, the concept of a Jew burning books is abhorrent to many in Israel because of the association with Nazis torching piles of Jewish books during the Holocaust of World War II.
Earlier this year, the teenage son of a prominent Christian missionary was seriously wounded when a package bomb delivered to the family's West Bank home went off in his hands. https://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/967870.html
Last year, arsonists burst into a Jerusalem church used by Messianic Jews and set the building on fire, raising suspicions that Jewish extremists were behind the attack. No one claimed responsibility, but the same church was burned down 25 years ago by ultra-Orthodox Jewish extremists.
Comment from Wolfram Graetz
RELIGIONS ARE SYSTEMS OF DECEPTIONS!
When "christianity" would be a good "product" and without any lies . . . it would NOT NEED any "missionaries" at all. "Missionaries" are nothing but "sales people" . . . to sell these "Religious Lemons" to dumb fools.
Because you mentioned the jews and moslems . . . have you ever had a jew or moslem knocking on your door to make you become a member of their "religious system of deception"?
It's time all these "religious systems of deceptions" go out of business . . . and maybe we have to send these fools to the middle of a big ocean for the rest of their life.
Response from Dagmar Brenne
When had ANYTHING on Earth ever been without flaws? Christianity of course has been infiltrated by the infiltrators BIG TIME. If you were a devil in disguise, Where oh Where would you place your main efforts to corrupt?
Exactly there where some people want to prescribe to a life of decency. Where else?
Now, let's assume Christianity had succumbed to say: Ghenngis Khan centuries ago. What would the world look like now?
Or: if Europe had been conquered by Islam, what would Europe be like today?
Or if the superstitions of the natur religions that needed to placate gods with human sacrifices had engulfed Europe, what life would we lead now?
Wolfram, You hate Christianity and yet it has given the world a great deal more than the various ALTERNATIVES.
Eg.1-No slavery - 2-No multiple wives and Harems 3-No cannibalism 4- No human sacrifices 5-No animal sacrifices 6- Women are honoured 7- Men are the breadwinners 8- God is honoured 9- No incest 10- no genital mutilation, male or female 11- No cruel kosher or hallal killings 12- marriage is honoured 13- No incest 14- No usury!!!!!! 15- No prostitution 16- No Sodomy 17- pastors/ leaders have to have a wife 18- No Drunkenness 19-No lying, esp. not as witnesses in court (Perjury) 20- good farming practices 21-Honouring your promises
All the world has learned from Christianity. I don't believe for a moment that some of the more hideous customs in Asia, America or Africa would have changed but by the example of Christianity. (burning of widows, tearing people's hearts out, sex with minors, Harems, incest, sodomy and a culture of women doing ALL the work, just to name a few)
Now, you, Wolfram claim that some divine presence has entered into your life. How is it possible that that presence has given you instructions that are remarkably similar to what I read in the Bibel?
Why would not that entity promote a cutting out of hearts or raping minors? All things being equal?
Maybe that divine presence has some sort of MORAL message to mankind, such as: do unto others as you would have them do unto you?
Think before you condemn!
Greetings from Dagmar
From the Archives
Some of His Best Friends Are Jewish: The Saga of a Holocaust Revisionist
By Nathaniel Popper, Fri. Oct 22, 2004
From his apartment on Manhattan's Upper West Side, in what might be called the intellectual center of Jewish America, Michael Santomauro sends out a daily e-mail digest of what are, for his neighborhood, some unusual views on Judaism. Among them: questions on the Holocaust's veracity, excoriation of every aspect of Israel's behavior and questions on the morality of Judaism itself.
Santomauro, 50, says he is not an antisemite. But this week, his messages, which he claims reach about 144,000 subscribers, caught some unwanted attention. The Jewish Defense Organization, a militant group known for its sharp-tongued rhetoric, called for his eviction from the apartment in which he lives and assembles his "Reporter's Notebook" Web site. The organization has posted leaflets outside his building and called for a rally there next weekend.
The group is also attempting to organize a boycott of Santomauro's business, a Web-based service called Roommate Finders, which Santomauro says has a clientele that is about 45% Jewish. The JDO has not ruled out other tactics.
"We're going to run this neo-Nazi pig out of his office one way or the other," said Mordechai Levy, head of the JDO, who was jailed in 1989 for attempting to shoot Irv Rubin, the head of the Jewish Defense League, from which Levy's group broke away in the late 1970s.
Holocaust revisionist circles are full of colorful characters, but few could be as unconventional as Santomauro. A Catholic, he grew up in a mostly Jewish section of the Bronx, N.Y., before moving to the heavily Jewish Upper West Side. He calls himself a pacifist and says he is aggressively anti-Nazi, noting most of his fuel comes from the left, not the right. He has promoted books with titles such as "When Victims Rule:
A Critique of Jewish Preeminence in America," yet he says many of his friends are Jewish. He insists his Reporter's Notebook e-mails and postings do no more than offer an "objective" view of how Jewish interests operate in the world.
"Jews are the most powerful and dominant group in the political spectrum and have a tremendous effect on how we conduct our foreign policy,"
Santomauro has not yet felt the effects of the JDO's "Operation Nazi Kicker." But the controversy has already sparked at least one physical confrontation, said a doorman in Santomauro's building.
According to the doorman, on October 13, one person handing out anti-Santomauro materials verbally assaulted a man walking his dog who refused to take a leaflet. The passerby responded with a punch, and a scuffle ensued, the doorman said. The management company for the building did not return calls for comment.
Santomauro landed in the mainstream media in January 2003 when The New York Times reported that he had been sending his Reporter's Notebook e-mails to his Roommate Finder clients, prompting some salty protests.
Santomauro is not hesitant to blur the lines between his business and his obsession with Jewish issues. In discussing his theories on Jewish social psychology, he claimed that of his business clients who express a racial preference in their roommate search, 95% are Jews. "It's a much more cliquish community," he said.
The JDO says it targeted Santomauro's apartment as "Nazi headquarters" because of meetings he hosted with Holocaust deniers. Santomauro said he never has had a meeting in his apartment, but in June he hosted a lecture with David Irving, who was called a "pro-Nazi polemicist" in a British court ruling, at a church across the street However, Santomauro, said there is a gulf between his own beliefs and Irving's. Irving, he said, is a "fascist. I'm not."
Kenneth Stern, an expert on antisemitism at the American Jewish Committee, said he had been unaware of Santomauro before this week. But after looking at Santomauro's Web site, Stern said: "This is not intellectual inquiry, this is the peddling of bigotry."
Santomauro launched his Reporter's Notebook about four years ago.
E-mails go out several times a day, offering press clippings from mainstream newspapers, frequently salted with Santomauro's editorial notes. He also sends out essays that are hostile to Israel and that question the Holocaust. In one recent week, titles included "The Amazing, Rapidly Shrinking `Holocaust,'" "Miami, Florida: Zionist Occupied Territory?" and "Jewish Discrimination Against Christians."
Growing up on Pelham Parkway in the Bronx, in what he called "one of the last blue-collar Jewish neighborhoods," Santomauro said he helped turn lights on and off on Saturdays at the synagogue across the street and that most of his childhood friends, with whom he is still in touch, were Jews. "It's a natural inclination that you're interested in how your friends are different from you, when I went to their bar mitzvahs and all that," he said.
In his e-mails Santomauro repeatedly declares himself innocent of antisemitism. "An antisemite condemns people for being Jews," Santomauro said. He wants not to hurt Jews, he said, but merely to change their religious beliefs and political behavior. His interest in the topic comes primarily from an interest in the Middle East conflict, he said.
As for the Holocaust, Santomauro believes that only about 2 million Jews were killed. "There are things that have been twisted and exaggerated," he said, "but taking that aside, there was still an atrocity of monumental proportions, and a concerted effort aimed at the fact that people were Jews."
His work goes far beyond the Holocaust, however. His e-mails frequently attack tenets of the Jewish religion and Jewish individuals. On Martin Luther King Jr. Day this year, he sent out an article arguing that Jews were involved in the Civil Rights Movement because it "dilutes Euro-American power," which he said "stands in opposition to Jewish interests."
During the recent High Holy Days, he sent out an email arguing that the Kol Nidre prayer is meant to free Jews from honoring any promises made to non-Jews.
"There are a lot of things in Judaism that are very hateful," Santomauro said. "It could be a group strategy to promote a reaction of antisemitism, so that it keeps the Jewish community cohesive and intact."
Santomauro is clearly excited to debate his ideas. His Web site offers a monetary reward to anyone who can disprove the essays that he sends out.
He also circulates criticisms of himself that he receives. One, from a man he identified as a Jewish childhood friend, said: "I know you mean no harm and I know you're not a bad person, but you process information poorly."
Levy at the JDO has turned down Santomauro's appeals for a dialogue about their disagreement. In an e-mail that appears to come from a JDO address, Santomauro was told: "The JDO is not interested in collecting an award, and we are not interested in debating you with any of your bull****. We are interested in only one thing ... f******* your mother."
Santomauro is sticking to his position: "A dialogue should be done on an intellectual level. They make it very clear they're not interested in having a debate. They want to destroy me."
Nuremberg court, cf Balfour Declaration & Paris Peace Conference
Note by Peter Myers: It’s not clear who’s saying what, here, but the information about what went on at these proceedings is of some interest.
From: "reportersnotebook" email@example.com, 12 May 2008
Two Revisionists Debate I'm going to have to disagree-partially.
While I certainly do agree that other groups participated in the hoax (they had good reasons to, as we shall see) the idea that the Jews just helped themselves to somebody else's fraud is untenable. I think it would be very difficult to determine at this point just exactly where the story of 'gassed' Jews first originated. To my mind, the point is essentially irrelevant. The British and Soviets are, of course, master liars. One need merely recall the British propaganda campaigns of the First World War. The Soviet communists (mainly Jews in those days) were always liars on principle. This is undisputed.
However, your thesis stumbles over some simple considerations. The 'gas chamber' hoax could never have become established as fact in the international arena without the stamp of the Nuremberg kangaroo court.
Who was responsible for Nuremberg? Remember that the Americans and British (particularly the latter) were initially cool toward the idea of a 'war crimes' trial. Churchill simply wanted to shoot the defeated German leaders. It was Jewish organizations which sold-and then staffed- the war crimes tribunals. Specifically, it was the Robinson brothers of the Institute For Jewish Affairs of the World Jewish Congress who first proposed the idea. David 'Mickey' Marcus was the man in charge of picking all the personnel for both the Far East and Nuremberg trials.
(Marcus was later influential in orchestrating the partition of Palestine vote at the United Nations during Thanksgiving week of 1948.) According to Hungarian author Louis Marschalko in The World Conquerors, out of 3000 total personnel at the trials, 2400 were Jewish. All of this indicates a very definite controlling power operating behind the facade of the Americans, British, French and Soviet Russians.
The situation might be analogized to the Balfour Declaration of the First World War and the subsequent Paris Peace Conference. Everyone knows that the British government issued the Declaration on its own letterhead. It is also known that numerous high English officials, such as Lords Alfred Milner and Robert Cecil participated in the drafting of the famous words, as did Jan Christian Smuts, South African Prime Minister, Leopold Amery and other Englishmen. But it is also documented that Zionists on both sides of the Atlantic ocean, such as Louis Brandeis, Felix Frankfurter, Benjamin Cohen, Stephen Wise, Chaim Weizmann, Nahum Sokolow, Moses Gaster, Joseph Kessler and others, were the real drafters behind the scenes. So, too, at Nuremberg. Similarly, at the Paris Peace Conference following the war, the Entente was formally in charge but very powerful Jewish interests operated with the great powers demanding, and getting, a League of Nations, minorities treaties and a mandate over Palestine in which the Balfour Declaration was included in the San Remo Conference of April, 1920. The Jews at Nuremberg were operating much as the Jews at Paris is in 1919. One must also recall that it was a Jew, John Woods Short, who was the hangman at Nuremberg. It was a Jew, Wolf Frank, who read out the sentences to the convicted defendants. The Germans were hung in the middle of the Jewish high holidays in October, 1946-just before the Day of Atonement. Do you really believe that it was the Americans, the British, the French or the Soviet Russians who planned these amazing happenstances?
If you doubt the Jewish control behind the scenes I would point out that it was an American judge, Wennersturm, who declared after one of the subsidiary NMT trials that over 90% of the personnel at the proceedings had been 'foreign born' (an obvious reference to Jews). Recently the Nuremberg diaries of Senator Thomas Dodd have been published by Senator Christopher Dodd, his son. Dodd had been an assisstant prosecutor at Nuremberg. His diaries contain some very blunt passages about the overwhelming preponderance of the Jews at Nuremberg-and the danger that the general public might conclude that Nuremberg was a Jewish 'revenge'
Bush attack infuriates Obama. Calls offer of talks with Syria, Iran 'appeasement'
George W. Bush, the U. S. President, told the Knesset yesterday those who would talk with Iran or Syria were guilty of "appeasement" of a kind that once emboldened Adolf Hitler.
The remark was widely interpreted as a veiled attack on Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate, who has said the United States should not exclude talking with Iran or Syria.
"Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Mr. Bush said.
"We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared, 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
Much of the President's speech focused on Iran's nuclear ambitions, the menace of terrorism and how democracies would defeat it.
"To permit the world's leading sponsor of terror to possess the world's deadliest weapon would be an unforgivable betrayal of future generations," he said during an address that was the focal point of a three-day trip to the Holy Land to attend celebrations of Israel's 60th anniversary.
"For the sake of peace, the world must not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon," he said.
Mr. Bush again pledged to help Israel remain secure. Israel was not a nation of seven million alone against its enemies, but "when you confront terror and evil, you are 307 million strong because America stands with you."
The President also described Israel as "the freest democracy in the Middle East" and said it was his "bold vision" that by the time the Jewish state was another 60 years older there would also be democracy in Syria and Iran.
Before Mr. Bush addressed Israeli lawmakers, his host, Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, also spoke of the scourge of extremism and described Iran as "the greatest threat to world peace." The Prime Minister, who is fighting for his political life against mounting bribery allegations, singled out "the murderous, fundamentalist threat of terror, which is devoid of any moral inhibitions, [as] the most important challenge currently facing democratic societies around the globe."
While Israel did not rule out military action against Iran, "presenting a united international, political and economic front [and] more severe and effective sanctions is a necessary, even if not final, step" to curb the threat.
Back home, Mr. Obama, who has favoured direct diplomatic engagement with Iran, condemned Mr. Bush for a political smear against him delivered on foreign soil.
"It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack," he said. "George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the President's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people -- or our stalwart ally, Israel."
He said the U. S. needs "to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power -- including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy -- to pressure countries like Iran and Syria."
Many Democrats also pointed out the words of Mr. Bush's own Defence Secretary, Robert Gates, who said on Wednesday, "We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage with respect to the Iranians and then sit down and talk with them."
The White House denied Mr. Bush was singling out Mr. Obama for criticism, saying his remarks were addressed to all politicians who favour talks with pariah regimes.
"I would think that all of you who cover these issues … have for a long time have known that there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that President Bush thinks we should not talk to," said Dana Perino, the White House spokeswoman.
"I understand when you're running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you -- that is not always true and it is not true in this case."
John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said he agreed with Mr. Bush's description of the dangers of appeasement. While Mr. McCain did not directly accuse Mr. Obama of appeasement, he slammed the Democratic front-runner for proposing talks with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian President.
"I think that Barack Obama needs to explain why he wants to sit down and talk with a man who is the head of a government that is a state sponsor of terrorism, that is responsible for the killing of brave young Americans, that wants to wipe Israel off the map, who denies the Holocaust," he said in Columbus, Ohio.
U. S. President George W. Bush tries out a special edition of an Israeli-made bike, a gift from Israel's leader, Ehud Olmert.
German voices express concern about those who still wish to be Germans
From: Dagmar Brenne firstname.lastname@example.org
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2008 5:30 PM
Subject: German and Palestinian people
“The Holocaust-Shoah is a death cult that is uninspiring and ugly. It incites hatred against the German people and anything to do with Germany and German culture – much like the Palestinians have been vilified over these past 60 years.
• The Holocaust-Shoah is slowly exterminating Germans as a people, as a Volk. To this day Germans do not honour their dead of World War Two. The younger generation of Germans is set out to have a good time – drugs, sex and rock’n roll – and to consume goods they don’t need, and to have holidays, and to shun anything that reminds them of the rich German cultural heritage.
• Germans are sick people because they feel unnecessarily guilty about what they are alleged to have done to Jews during World War Two. No-one denies that Jews suffered, but they were not the only ones.”
This is a part of your [Toben’s Jakarta] talk. The bringing together of the two elements, why Palestinians cannot look past the Holocaust and the soul-murder plight of Germany. In a way Palestinians are by far more ''together'' than Germans. The world -at times - recognises their woeful situation. Germans suffer in silence, an invisible genocide, soul- murder by stealth and indifference.
And yet, could Palestinians be free, in a free Palestinian State, without Germany being free as well. Is there a connection?
I feel there is the Jewish connection that needs to be explored. And I see it is ONLY the Iranians that partly see the common thread underlying these far-flung scenarios.
1. Russia, the Jewish Bolsheviks killing millions of Kulaks and others.
2. The Jewish ''Young Turks'' kill scores of Armenians.
3. "Judea declares war on Germany”, "Germany must perish.''
4. Turkish people vacating Palestine, Jerusalem, where they have been living for several centuries, with barely a fight. Ata Turk was a Jew. What was the arrangement between the different Jewish groups, for this amazing concensus?
5. America with a high German population turns anti-German after the ''Lusitania'' incident and Lindbergh kidnapping.
6. The one-sided Balfour Declaration, without paying much consideration to the Palestinians and the Turkish landholders!
7. The huge turn-about of Christians in regard to the Jews, who are no longer the ''ones that crucified Jesus'', the ''cursed of God'' but rather ''God's Chosen ones''. This was achieved by an undermining of seminaries and on all fronts of church life by Jews – and a failure of Christian moral and itnelelctual nerve.
8. There are most likely other ''unrelated'' incidents coming to mind. It appears as though there was a grand assault by Jews on many fronts at about the same time.
9. Can Palestinians - in theory - achieve their Freedom without being held to this bigger picture?
Greetings from Dagmar
From: W.G. MUELLER email@example.com
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2008 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: German and Palestinian people suffer a similar fate?
This is a very good piece of writing, summarising our and the Palestinians problems with the Jews.
The Germans have not recognized and do not want to recognize, the dire straits they are in because they still "have it good" materially, although about 150,000 of them have been leaving the country every year for the last five years - on average.
Even their religious leadership whose job it is to be knowledgeeable about these similar German-Palestinian situatians and relationship with the Jews, are not spreading their knowledeg around. Not even the Pope said anything to Bush during his recent visit to America about it or the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq or the war in Iran planned by the Jews.
The Palestinians are fighting because they know that the Jews have planed to "eliminate" them altogether. Germans have alsways preferred to be good citizens – Untertanen/subjects/slave and, after two world wars know what it means to lose all their material possessions.
Some Germans are hoping to become allies of Russia. Unfortunately, that will take another 10 years. By that time it will be too late.
Warmest Regards, Wolfgang.
Israel links horror of Holocaust to threat from Iran
Martin Chulov, Middle East Correspondent, The Australian, 2 May 2008
Israeli leaders marked Holocaust Remembrance day by stridently linking the horrors of Nazi Germany to the gathering storm of the Iranian regime.
More than six decades after the Hitler-led genocide of the Jews of Europe, policy-makers mooted the fate of the surviving Jews if the Nazi dictator had had access to a nuclear weapon.
At the Holocaust museum in Jerusalem, Yad Vashem, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said:
“Sixty-three years have passed since the Satanic factories of death of the Nazis and their collaborators ceased to operate, yet with the passing of time, the dimensions of the Holocaust still remain beyond comprehension, unfathomably shocking, unacceptably chilling. Who would have believed that 63 years later, hatred of Jews and Israelis would rear its ugly head in so many different placed around the globe, provocatively and venomously, inciting hatred?” he said.
The Jewish state’s elder statesman, President Shimon Peres, implored the world to stop the eruption of a nuclear war before it began, saying turning a blind eye to Hitler in the 1930s had been a grave mistake. “In my heart I am terrified when I recall there existed the possibility that Hitler might obtain a nuclear weapon,” he said. “A leader who destroyed masses with a weapon of mass destruction, combined. What would have been left of our world then?”
Trade Minister Shaul Mofaz went further than any senior Israeli figure, or analyst on the nuclear threat, by claiming that iran could have in place the technology to make a bomb by later this year.
Earlier intelligence-based assessments have suggested Iranian scientists need at least 18 months to produce a bomb.
Meanwhile, Hamas television marked the 63rd anniversary of the Holocaust by suggesting it was orchestrated by Jews to wipe out the disabled among them in preparation for the creation of the state of Israel.
According to the Jerusalem-based Palestinian Media Watch, the head of the Palestinian Centre for Strategic Research, Amin Dabur, said: “The Israeli Holocaust – the whole thing was a joke, and part of the perfect show that (Zionist leader and future Israeli prime minister) Ben Gurion put it”.
The “young energetic and able” were sent to Israel, while the handicapped were sent “so there would be a Holocaust”.
A two-minute siren sounded across Israel at 10am yesterday in memory of the estimated six million Jews who died in the Nazi death camps. People stopped wjhere they were and cars came to a standstill.
Mr Olmert condemned revisionists, among them Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who claimed the Holocaust either did not happen or had been largely over-hyped as a means to justify Israel’s creation.
“There is no force in the worl stronger than the spirit of this people that emerged from the abyss of annihilation to the summits of creation, success, building and might of the State of Israel,” he said.
Iranian President steps in for Nobel Laureate
By Robert Tait, London, The Guardian, 18 April 2008
Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has intervened on behalf of the country’s leading human rights campaigner, the Nobel laureate Shirin Ebeda.
Dr Ahmadinejad has ordered police to investigate death threats made against her and give her protection. The move came after Dr Ebadi, a lawyer and frequent critic of the Government ‘s human rights record, released details of a recent spate of threats, claiming that police had failed to respond. Dr Ebadi, 60, who won the Nobel peace prize in 2003, said a note had been left at her office door which read: “Shirin Ebadi, your death is near.”
One letter threatened to kill her daughter and accused Dr Ebadi of having links to the Bahais, a minority religious sect regarded as heretics by Iranian authorities. “We told you to give up your un-Islamic and Bahai-based faith, but you have continued serving the foreigners and the Bahais, and even your daughter is involved. So we will kill her, so you understand,” the handwritten note allegedly read.
Another, pinned to the door of her office, told Dr Ebadi to “watch your tongue ... or you will be avenged,” she said.
Colleagues of Dr Ebadi said she ordered the letters to be released while on a lecture tour of the US, after police did not follow up her reports.
In an accompanying statement, she said: “The threat against my family and I has recently intensified. Those who wish me dead do not have any personal animosity. They are those who are against my ideas, so finding the person or people who sent me the threatening letters is not a difficult task.”
The resulting publicity appears to have embarrassed Dr Ahmadinejad, who is not noted for his human rights sentiments and whom campaigners have accused of overseeing a systematic crackdown on opponents. “It is the police’s duty to preserve the security and safety of all Iranian citizens,” state radio quoted him as saying. “The issue should be investigated and violators should be handed over to the judiciary.”
Dr Ebadi has complained in the past of death threats and official harassment aimed at intimidating her from acting for defendants who have fallen foul of the regime. In her memoir, Iran Awakening, she describes investigating the murder of two dissidents and discovering the transcript of a conversation in which a minister tells a member of an officially backed death squad: “The next person to be killed is Shirin Ebadi.”
Her relations with the authorities were strained further after she agreed to act for Haleh Esfandiari, a detained Iranian-born US academic who was accused of acting against national security.
An old matter: It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three candidates. Who would you vote for?
Candidate A. Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologist. He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.
Candidate B: He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.
Candidate C: He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.
Answer: A = Franklin D. Roosevelt; B = Winston Churchill; C = Adolf Hitler.
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